WEBVTT 00:06.000 --> 00:12.074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 05:16.403 --> 05:19.404 Every second bastard born is fathered by a priest. 05:25.162 --> 05:27.119 But in Utopia that couldn't be. 05:27.205 --> 05:28.236 For why? 05:28.331 --> 05:31.700 - For there the priests are very holy. - Therefore very few. 05:34.171 --> 05:36.412 Is it anything interesting, Matthew? 05:37.090 --> 05:40.589 - Bless you, sir. I don't know. - Bless you too, Matthew. 05:45.849 --> 05:48.340 To be sure, we have some holy priests in England. 05:48.435 --> 05:50.760 - Oh, name some. - Brother James. 05:51.354 --> 05:53.181 Man's a simpleton. 05:54.608 --> 05:56.399 It's from Cardinal Wolsey. 05:58.028 --> 05:59.308 What's he want? 05:59.905 --> 06:01.019 - Me. - When? 06:01.156 --> 06:02.021 Now. 06:02.199 --> 06:05.069 In Hampton Court? You won't be there by midnight. 06:05.827 --> 06:08.449 - The King's business. - Queen's business. 06:08.788 --> 06:11.077 Mistress Anne Boleyn's business. 06:11.208 --> 06:14.374 Well, it's all the Cardinal's business. 06:14.503 --> 06:18.714 That's very true. And when the Cardinal calls, you all come running, day or night. 06:18.798 --> 06:21.799 What is the man? A butcher's son. 06:22.093 --> 06:23.671 Chancellor of England, too. 06:23.762 --> 06:26.253 No, that's his office. What's the man? 06:27.140 --> 06:30.260 Surely, Your Grace, when a man rises so high and so swiftly... 06:30.352 --> 06:33.222 ...we must think he was misplaced in his origins. 06:34.731 --> 06:37.269 That, at least, was the opinion of Aristotle and.... 06:38.485 --> 06:40.442 A butcher's son and looks it. 06:40.821 --> 06:43.146 His looks, yes, I give you his looks. 06:45.283 --> 06:47.359 What was that you said, Richard? 06:48.537 --> 06:50.529 Nothing, Sir Thomas, it was out of place. 06:51.998 --> 06:53.991 And Wolsey's still a butcher. 06:54.501 --> 06:58.000 And you're a member of the King's High Council, not an errand boy. 06:58.088 --> 06:59.748 That is why I must go. 07:00.215 --> 07:02.884 The Duke would go if the Cardinal called him. 07:03.635 --> 07:04.833 I might. 07:06.930 --> 07:08.757 I'll be back for breakfast. 07:09.683 --> 07:10.797 Go to bed. 07:12.394 --> 07:16.391 "Dear Lord, give us rest tonight, or if we must be wakeful, cheerful. 07:16.523 --> 07:20.984 "Careful only for our soul's salvation. For Christ's sake. Amen." 07:22.362 --> 07:24.271 And bless our lord, the King. 07:25.282 --> 07:27.951 - "And bless our lord, the King." - Amen! 07:28.034 --> 07:30.786 Excuse me, gentlemen. Goodnight, Your Grace. 07:35.667 --> 07:38.703 Keep clear of Wolsey, Thomas. He's a frightened man. 07:40.964 --> 07:43.716 - Who is that? - A young friend from Cambridge. 07:43.842 --> 07:46.926 - What's he want? - What do they all want? A position. 07:47.137 --> 07:50.138 - Can you give him a position? - Do you recommend him? 07:50.765 --> 07:51.797 No. 08:09.409 --> 08:11.402 - Sir Thomas. - No. 08:12.037 --> 08:14.195 - Did you recommend me? - No. 08:16.333 --> 08:18.740 Richard, I may have a position for you. 08:18.877 --> 08:23.005 - What? What position? - Not now, Richard. Tomorrow. 09:04.881 --> 09:06.459 For you all, boatman. 09:07.175 --> 09:08.504 Thank you, sir. 09:29.823 --> 09:32.777 Sir Thomas is here, Your Grace. Sir Thomas. 09:33.285 --> 09:34.660 Master Cromwell. 09:49.217 --> 09:52.717 You opposed me in the Council this morning, Thomas. 09:53.555 --> 09:54.930 Yes, Your Grace. 09:55.849 --> 09:59.016 - You were the only one. - Yes, Your Grace. 10:00.437 --> 10:01.682 You're a fool. 10:03.106 --> 10:05.893 Thank God there is only one fool on the Council. 10:09.696 --> 10:11.605 Why did you oppose me? 10:12.574 --> 10:14.613 I thought Your Grace was wrong. 10:16.244 --> 10:17.952 A matter of conscience. 10:20.123 --> 10:22.495 You're a constant regret to me, Thomas. 10:23.293 --> 10:25.784 If you could just see facts flat on... 10:25.879 --> 10:29.046 ...without that horrible moral squint. 10:30.258 --> 10:33.793 With a little common sense, you could have made a statesman. 10:40.310 --> 10:41.389 The King. 11:08.463 --> 11:11.630 Where's he been? Do you know? 11:12.676 --> 11:13.921 I, Your Grace? 11:14.845 --> 11:16.921 Spare me your discretion. 11:18.348 --> 11:22.346 He's been to play in the muck again. 11:24.604 --> 11:26.763 He's been to Mistress Anne Boleyn. 11:32.445 --> 11:36.229 More, are you going to help me? 11:38.910 --> 11:41.532 If Your Grace will be specific. 11:42.581 --> 11:45.914 You're a plodder! All right, we'll plod. 11:46.585 --> 11:49.751 The King wants a son. What are you going to do about it? 11:50.005 --> 11:54.049 I'm very sure the King needs no advice from me on what to do about it. 11:54.885 --> 11:58.336 Thomas, we're alone. I give you my word, there's no one here. 11:58.430 --> 12:00.837 I didn't suppose there was, Your Grace. 12:04.436 --> 12:08.136 Do you favor a change of dynasty? Do you think two Tudors are sufficient? 12:08.231 --> 12:09.429 For God's sake, Your Grace! 12:09.524 --> 12:13.024 Then he needs a son. I repeat, what are you going to do about it? 12:13.153 --> 12:14.398 I pray for it daily. 12:14.488 --> 12:16.776 God's death, he means it. 12:17.574 --> 12:20.824 That thing out there, at least she's fertile. 12:21.661 --> 12:24.283 - But she's not his wife. - No, Catherine's his wife... 12:24.372 --> 12:27.741 ...and she's barren as a brick. Are you going to pray for a miracle? 12:27.834 --> 12:29.412 There are precedents. 12:33.423 --> 12:37.006 All right. Good. Pray by all means. 12:38.303 --> 12:43.890 But in addition to prayer there is effort. And my effort is to secure a divorce. 12:47.521 --> 12:49.809 Have I your support, or have I not? 12:53.360 --> 12:57.227 The Pope gave a dispensation, so that the King might marry... 12:57.364 --> 12:59.937 ...his brother's widow for state reasons. 13:00.659 --> 13:06.033 We are to ask the Pope to dispense with his dispensation, also for state reasons? 13:06.122 --> 13:08.281 I don't like plodding, Thomas. Well? 13:08.375 --> 13:12.586 Then, clearly all we have to do is to approach His Holiness and ask him. 13:12.671 --> 13:15.837 I think we might influence the decision of His Holiness. 13:16.591 --> 13:17.670 By argument? 13:17.759 --> 13:21.627 Argument certainly. And pressure. 13:22.931 --> 13:27.178 Pressure, applied to the Church? The Church has its church property. 13:29.271 --> 13:30.433 Pressure. 13:37.112 --> 13:40.611 No, Your Grace, I'm not going to help you. 13:43.493 --> 13:46.743 Then goodnight, Master More. 13:50.083 --> 13:54.994 Let the dynasty die with Henry VIII and we'll have dynastic wars again. 13:55.338 --> 13:58.542 Blood-witted barons ramping the country from end to end. 13:59.384 --> 14:02.967 Is that what you want? Very well. 14:04.055 --> 14:06.013 England needs an heir. 14:07.434 --> 14:11.763 Certain measures, perhaps regrettable... 14:12.480 --> 14:16.395 ...perhaps not, there's much in the Church which needs reformation, Thomas. 14:18.612 --> 14:22.692 All right, regrettable. But necessary to get us an heir. 14:24.951 --> 14:28.949 Now, explain how you, as a councilor of England, can obstruct these measures... 14:29.039 --> 14:31.909 ...for the sake of your own private conscience. 14:34.044 --> 14:37.828 I think that when statesmen forsake their own private conscience... 14:37.964 --> 14:40.502 ...for the sake of their public duties... 14:40.634 --> 14:44.299 ...they lead their country by a short route to chaos. 14:48.308 --> 14:50.977 And we shall have my prayers to fall back on. 14:51.686 --> 14:55.898 You'd like that, wouldn't you? To govern the country with prayers? 14:56.441 --> 14:57.686 Yes, I should. 14:58.527 --> 15:00.685 I'd like to be there when you try. 15:03.031 --> 15:04.940 Who will wear this after me? 15:06.535 --> 15:10.947 Who's our next chancellor? You? Fisher? Suffolk? 15:11.414 --> 15:13.573 - Fisher for me. - Aye, but for the King? 15:14.000 --> 15:17.204 What about my secretary, Master Cromwell? 15:17.879 --> 15:21.924 Cromwell. He's a very able man. 15:23.385 --> 15:24.215 But? 15:24.970 --> 15:27.258 Me rather than Cromwell. 15:28.056 --> 15:30.049 Then, come down to earth. 15:32.894 --> 15:34.139 Until you do... 15:36.606 --> 15:38.515 ...you and I are enemies. 15:40.402 --> 15:41.944 As Your Grace wishes. 15:44.865 --> 15:46.275 As God wills. 15:46.950 --> 15:48.492 Perhaps, Your Grace. 15:50.370 --> 15:53.537 More! You should have been a cleric! 15:54.374 --> 15:56.165 Like yourself, Your Grace? 16:10.098 --> 16:11.723 Goodnight, Sir Thomas. 16:18.857 --> 16:19.972 Sir Thomas. 16:20.859 --> 16:22.021 Sir Thomas. 16:23.153 --> 16:24.315 Sir Thomas. 16:26.656 --> 16:29.906 - What's this? - From some grateful poor folk, in Leicester. 16:30.660 --> 16:33.910 - Leicester? - You do more good than you know, sir. 16:36.124 --> 16:40.288 My daughter has a case, sir, in the Court of Poor Man's Causes. 16:42.047 --> 16:43.505 Baked apples, sir. 16:44.090 --> 16:45.798 To sweeten my judgment. 16:46.551 --> 16:49.920 I'll give your daughter the same judgment I would give my own. 16:50.013 --> 16:52.421 A fair one, quickly. 16:52.849 --> 16:54.047 Bless you, sir. 16:54.142 --> 16:57.807 I understand. Yes. I'll read it. Yes. Thank you. 17:03.527 --> 17:05.270 Good evening, Sir Thomas. 17:06.238 --> 17:08.479 - I'll read it. - It's an awkward case. 17:08.573 --> 17:10.862 - I could illuminate it for you-- - I'll read it. 17:10.951 --> 17:12.575 Just a moment or two.... 17:14.663 --> 17:15.694 Boat! 17:16.330 --> 17:16.865 Sir? 17:39.604 --> 17:40.719 Chelsea, sir? 17:40.814 --> 17:41.845 Chelsea. 17:42.524 --> 17:44.931 I expect you'll make it worth my while, sir. 17:45.026 --> 17:48.442 - You've got a license? - Bless you, yes sir, I've got a license. 17:48.530 --> 17:51.103 - Well then, the fares are fixed. - They are, sir. 17:51.241 --> 17:53.862 Hampton to Chelsea downstream, a penny halfpenny. 17:53.952 --> 17:56.110 Chelsea to Hampton upstream, a penny halfpenny. 17:56.204 --> 17:58.660 Whoever makes the regulations doesn't row a boat. 17:59.166 --> 18:02.700 No. Threepence if you get me home for breakfast. 18:02.794 --> 18:04.075 Thank you, sir. 18:32.199 --> 18:33.574 A nice cup, sir. 18:35.410 --> 18:36.324 Yes. 18:54.012 --> 18:55.720 That's worth money, sir. 19:33.468 --> 19:34.749 Mind a way, sir. 19:41.393 --> 19:42.673 Thank you, sir. 19:49.901 --> 19:52.108 - Have you been here all night? - Yes. 19:53.697 --> 19:56.022 You said there was a post? 19:56.658 --> 20:02.079 Yes. I'll offer you a post, with a house, a servant and £50 a year. 20:02.414 --> 20:03.528 What post? 20:04.207 --> 20:05.951 At the new school. 20:08.837 --> 20:09.952 A teacher! 20:10.964 --> 20:14.048 Richard, no one's going to give you a place at court. 20:15.760 --> 20:18.251 Master Cromwell says he'll do something for me. 20:19.973 --> 20:21.004 Cromwell? 20:22.392 --> 20:25.013 Well, if you know Cromwell you don't need my help. 20:26.479 --> 20:27.642 Sir Thomas? 20:30.275 --> 20:34.189 If only you knew how much, much rather, I had your help than his. 20:36.281 --> 20:38.024 Not to a place at court. 20:38.950 --> 20:40.030 Why not? 20:42.496 --> 20:43.409 Look. 20:44.956 --> 20:47.530 - What is it? - It's a bribe! 20:50.295 --> 20:53.415 "I am the gift of Averil Machin." 20:54.799 --> 20:58.085 And Averil Machin has a lawsuit in the Court of Requests. 20:58.970 --> 21:03.716 Italian silver. Take it. No joke. 21:06.353 --> 21:07.467 Thank you. 21:10.607 --> 21:12.101 What will you do with it? 21:12.901 --> 21:13.565 Sell it. 21:13.652 --> 21:15.977 - And buy what? - A decent gown! 21:17.197 --> 21:19.403 But Richard, that's a little bribe. 21:20.158 --> 21:25.615 At court they offer you all sorts of things, home, manor houses, coats of arms. 21:26.331 --> 21:28.869 A man should go where he won't be tempted. 21:29.918 --> 21:34.746 Why not be a teacher? You'd be a fine teacher. Perhaps a great one. 21:35.882 --> 21:40.425 - If I was, who would know it? - You! Your pupils. Your friends. 21:40.804 --> 21:43.591 God. Not a bad public, that. 21:47.602 --> 21:49.476 And a quiet life. 21:49.813 --> 21:52.730 You say that. You come from talking with the Cardinal. 21:52.816 --> 21:55.223 Yes, talking with the Cardinal. 21:56.486 --> 21:59.986 It's eating your heart out, isn't it? The high affairs of state. 22:00.073 --> 22:01.271 The divorce? 22:02.576 --> 22:03.738 Boatman! 22:04.244 --> 22:05.109 Sir? 22:05.245 --> 22:07.866 - Take this gentleman to the New Inn! - Right, sir. 22:07.956 --> 22:09.331 Sir Thomas? 22:10.375 --> 22:11.490 Thank you. 22:12.919 --> 22:14.544 Be a teacher. 22:25.056 --> 22:25.970 - Matthew. - Sir. 22:26.057 --> 22:27.967 - Lady Alice in bed? - Yes, sir. 22:28.476 --> 22:30.019 - Lady Margaret? - No, sir. 22:30.478 --> 22:32.388 The Master Roper's here, sir. 22:32.480 --> 22:34.438 At this hour? Who let him in? 22:35.233 --> 22:37.392 He's a hard man to keep out, sir. 23:00.884 --> 23:02.960 Will wants to marry me, Father. 23:03.845 --> 23:05.553 Well, he can't marry you. 23:07.057 --> 23:09.049 Sir Thomas, I'm called to the Bar. 23:09.142 --> 23:11.764 Oh, congratulations, Roper. 23:12.103 --> 23:14.476 My family may not be at the palace, but in the city-- 23:14.773 --> 23:17.015 There's nothing wrong with your family, Will. 23:18.819 --> 23:20.895 There's not much wrong with you. 23:22.113 --> 23:24.189 Except you seem to need a clock. 23:24.866 --> 23:26.574 I can buy a clock, sir. 23:26.827 --> 23:28.369 Roper, the answer is no... 23:28.453 --> 23:31.027 ...and will be no as long as you're a heretic. 23:31.122 --> 23:33.364 Now, that's a word I don't like, Sir Thomas! 23:33.458 --> 23:35.415 It's not a likable word or thing. 23:35.502 --> 23:39.120 The Church is heretical! Dr. Luther's proved that to my satisfaction! 23:39.214 --> 23:40.957 Luther is an excommunicate! 23:41.049 --> 23:43.967 From a heretic Church! Church? It's a shop! 23:44.261 --> 23:47.630 - Salvation by the shilling! And divorces! - Will, no! 23:47.806 --> 23:50.926 - What I know, I'll say! - You've no sense of the place! 23:52.102 --> 23:53.893 He's no sense of the time. 23:54.479 --> 23:56.104 Now listen well. 23:56.481 --> 23:59.019 Two years ago you were a passionate churchman. 23:59.109 --> 24:01.066 Now you're a passionate Lutheran. 24:01.153 --> 24:04.189 We must just pray that when your head's finished turning... 24:04.281 --> 24:06.487 ...your face is to the front again. 24:08.535 --> 24:11.156 - Is your horse here? - No, sir, I walked. 24:12.164 --> 24:14.915 Well, take a horse from the stables and get back home. 24:16.835 --> 24:17.866 Go along. 24:19.504 --> 24:20.915 May I come again? 24:23.258 --> 24:25.215 Yes. Soon. 24:30.765 --> 24:32.390 Is that final, Father? 24:32.642 --> 24:35.477 As long as he's a heretic, Meg, that's absolute. 24:39.399 --> 24:41.142 What did Wolsey want? 24:44.404 --> 24:45.982 Nice boy, young Will. 24:48.325 --> 24:50.732 Terribly strong principles, though. 24:51.828 --> 24:53.322 Clumsy, too. 24:54.122 --> 24:56.957 - You're very pensive. - You're very gay. 24:57.542 --> 24:59.036 Was it the divorce? 25:00.712 --> 25:01.743 To bed. 25:02.672 --> 25:07.050 They're a cantankerous lot, the Ropers. Always swimming against the stream. 25:07.260 --> 25:09.419 Old Roper was just the same-- 25:10.972 --> 25:13.048 You don't want to talk about it. 25:13.975 --> 25:14.889 No. 25:19.940 --> 25:23.772 - I'm sorry you were awakened, chick. - I wasn't sleeping very deeply. 25:24.236 --> 25:25.813 What did Wolsey want? 25:27.989 --> 25:30.611 - Will Roper's been. - Will Roper? 25:30.867 --> 25:33.738 Yes, he's been here all night. He wants to marry Meg. 25:33.829 --> 25:36.366 - Why you don't beat that girl I-- - No. 25:36.915 --> 25:40.533 She's full of education and it's a delicate commodity. 25:41.253 --> 25:42.533 Goodnight, Meg. 25:42.838 --> 25:43.952 Goodnight. 25:48.134 --> 25:50.970 Marry Meg. A lawyer's son. 25:51.054 --> 25:52.881 Well, she's a lawyer's daughter. 25:56.309 --> 26:00.639 Norfolk spoke of you for Chancellor of England before he left. 26:01.523 --> 26:03.432 Well, he's a dangerous friend then. 26:04.526 --> 26:06.684 Wolsey's chancellor, God help him. 26:06.987 --> 26:09.145 But Norfolk said, if Wolsey fell, you-- 26:09.239 --> 26:13.189 If Wolsey fell, the splash would swamp a few small boats like ours. 26:13.702 --> 26:14.733 No. 26:15.328 --> 26:18.329 There'll be no new chancellors while Wolsey lives. 27:08.507 --> 27:11.211 The Duke of Norfolk, Earl Marshal of England. 27:25.899 --> 27:28.224 Have you any message for His Majesty? 27:30.695 --> 27:32.320 If I had served God... 27:32.739 --> 27:35.491 ...one half so well as I've served my King... 27:36.701 --> 27:40.948 ...God would not have left me here, to die in this place. 27:42.749 --> 27:46.699 Thank God you're dying here. The King would have you die in the Tower. 28:10.986 --> 28:14.022 "I am straightly charged by the King himself... 28:14.823 --> 28:18.441 "...here openly to declare how much all England... 28:18.577 --> 28:20.735 "...is beholden to this man. 28:21.163 --> 28:25.990 "And how worthy he is to have the highest room in the realm. 28:26.501 --> 28:30.499 "And how dearly the King's grace doth love and trust him... 28:31.464 --> 28:33.790 "...not only for much good council... 28:34.217 --> 28:37.835 "...deliberate council, but for better council yet... 28:38.597 --> 28:41.301 "...that which is privy to the King's person. 28:42.475 --> 28:44.552 "This same Sir Thomas More... 28:44.853 --> 28:47.605 "...here made before you all to be... 28:48.190 --> 28:50.977 "...Lord Chancellor of the Realm." 30:30.584 --> 30:32.126 Calm yourself, Matthew. 30:32.210 --> 30:33.870 Fetch Lady Alice. 30:46.266 --> 30:47.974 That's very well. 30:52.480 --> 30:54.307 My lady! The King! 31:59.714 --> 32:01.873 Now remember, the visit's a surprise. 32:01.967 --> 32:03.840 But he'll know we're expecting him-- 32:03.927 --> 32:06.679 It's a very great honor. One friend calling on another. 32:06.763 --> 32:08.423 What's he really coming for? 32:08.515 --> 32:10.887 To talk about the divorce. He wants an answer. 32:10.976 --> 32:13.431 - But he's had his answer. - He wants another. 32:13.520 --> 32:14.516 Thomas! 32:21.903 --> 32:25.818 Your Majesty does my house more honor than I fear my household will bear. 32:25.907 --> 32:28.114 No ceremony Thomas, no ceremony! 32:28.243 --> 32:30.816 A passing fancy. I happened to be on the river. 32:30.912 --> 32:32.241 Look. Mud. 32:36.251 --> 32:39.252 By heaven, what an evening. 32:40.213 --> 32:43.131 Lady Alice, I fear we came upon you unexpectedly. 32:43.216 --> 32:45.790 Yes, Your Grace. Well, no, Your Grace. 32:46.094 --> 32:48.336 Well, that is, we are ready to entertain-- 32:48.430 --> 32:50.837 This is my daughter Margaret, sire. 32:52.601 --> 32:55.436 She's not yet had the honor to meet Your Grace. 32:55.645 --> 32:58.765 Why Margaret, they told me you were a scholar. 32:59.566 --> 33:01.274 Answer, Margaret. 33:01.485 --> 33:04.236 Among women, I pass for one, Your Grace. 33:35.268 --> 33:37.012 Can you dance, too? 33:37.729 --> 33:39.307 Not well, Your Grace. 33:41.441 --> 33:43.600 Well, I dance superlatively! 33:44.528 --> 33:46.935 That's a dancer's leg, Margaret! 34:00.043 --> 34:02.285 Lady Alice, the river's given me an appetite. 34:02.379 --> 34:05.545 If Your Grace would share a very simple supper. 34:05.632 --> 34:07.708 It would please me. Lead them in. 34:07.801 --> 34:09.260 Thomas and I will follow. 34:09.344 --> 34:10.719 Matthew. 34:11.137 --> 34:13.426 My lords and gentlemen! 34:19.062 --> 34:20.342 Margaret? 34:20.647 --> 34:22.022 Your Grace? 34:22.107 --> 34:23.731 Do you like music? 34:23.859 --> 34:25.436 Yes, Your Grace. 34:25.944 --> 34:27.771 They'll play to you. 34:51.428 --> 34:53.918 Now, listen to this. 34:56.683 --> 34:58.011 Sit down. 34:59.811 --> 35:02.100 Be seated. No courtship, Thomas. 35:06.485 --> 35:08.773 You're my friend, are you not? 35:09.321 --> 35:10.352 Your Majesty. 35:10.447 --> 35:12.985 Thank God I have a friend for my chancellor. 35:13.074 --> 35:16.111 Readier to befriend, I trust, than he was to be chancellor. 35:16.203 --> 35:18.409 My own knowledge of my poor abilities-- 35:18.497 --> 35:20.785 I will judge of your abilities. 35:21.708 --> 35:22.739 Thomas? 35:25.879 --> 35:28.796 You know that Wolsey named you for chancellor? 35:29.883 --> 35:34.094 Before he died, Wolsey named you, and Wolsey was no fool. 35:34.679 --> 35:38.298 He was a statesman of incomparable ability, Your Grace. 35:40.602 --> 35:41.847 Was he? 35:43.271 --> 35:44.647 Was he so? 35:45.732 --> 35:47.772 Then, why did he fail me? 35:50.403 --> 35:52.230 It was villainy then. 35:52.823 --> 35:55.230 Yes, villainy. Secret opposition, secret. 35:55.325 --> 35:58.741 But deliberate, willful, meditated opposition. 35:58.829 --> 36:01.366 Wanted to be pope to master me, Wolsey. 36:01.456 --> 36:02.950 What is it? Thought! 36:03.041 --> 36:07.502 Because I'm simple and plain and deal with every man straightforwardly. 36:07.587 --> 36:11.502 Because of that I say, do they take me for a simpleton? 36:16.471 --> 36:21.263 Wolsey was a proud man, Thomas. 36:22.352 --> 36:23.930 Pride right through. 36:24.187 --> 36:25.598 And he failed me. 36:26.773 --> 36:30.107 Failed me in the one thing that matters, then as now. 36:33.905 --> 36:35.020 But look. 36:35.991 --> 36:37.153 Be seated. 36:42.539 --> 36:43.914 What an evening. 36:45.125 --> 36:47.248 A man could fight a lion. 36:47.669 --> 36:49.792 Some men could, Your Grace. 36:51.131 --> 36:52.293 Thomas... 36:53.425 --> 36:56.094 ...touching this matter of my divorce. 36:56.511 --> 36:58.753 Have you thought of it since we last spoke? 36:58.847 --> 36:59.926 Of little else. 37:00.015 --> 37:01.888 Then you see your way clear to me? 37:01.975 --> 37:04.846 That you should put away Queen Catherine, sire? 37:05.103 --> 37:07.179 Alas, as I think of it, I see so clearly... 37:07.272 --> 37:10.392 ...that I cannot come with Your Grace, that my endeavor is... 37:10.484 --> 37:11.859 ...not to think of it at all. 37:11.943 --> 37:14.351 Then you haven't thought enough! 37:21.536 --> 37:22.734 Lilac. 37:24.289 --> 37:25.997 We have them at Hampton. 37:26.917 --> 37:28.743 Not so fine as this, though. 37:31.087 --> 37:33.625 I'm in an excellent frame of mind. 37:38.303 --> 37:42.087 Thomas, you must consider, I stand in peril of my soul. 37:42.182 --> 37:43.676 It was no marriage. 37:44.226 --> 37:47.392 I have lived in incest with my brother's widow. 37:48.355 --> 37:53.396 Leviticus: "Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife." 37:53.485 --> 37:55.810 Leviticus. Chapter 18, verse 16. 37:55.904 --> 37:57.778 Yes, Your Grace. But Deuteronomy-- 37:57.864 --> 37:59.857 Deuteronomy is ambiguous! 37:59.950 --> 38:02.619 Your Grace, I'm not fitted to meddle in these matters. 38:02.702 --> 38:04.825 To me, it seems a matter for the Holy See-- 38:04.913 --> 38:08.661 Thomas, does a man need a pope to tell him where he's sinned? 38:10.335 --> 38:11.829 It was a sin. 38:12.671 --> 38:14.414 God's punished me. 38:15.423 --> 38:16.882 I've no son. 38:18.343 --> 38:20.170 Son after son she's borne me. 38:20.262 --> 38:23.263 All dead at birth, or dead within the month. 38:23.431 --> 38:26.136 I never saw the hand of God so clear in anything. 38:26.226 --> 38:28.384 It's my bounden duty to put away the Queen. 38:28.478 --> 38:32.061 And all the popes, back to Peter, shall not come between me and my duty! 38:34.609 --> 38:37.100 How is it that you cannot see? Everyone else does. 38:37.195 --> 38:40.315 Then, why does Your Grace need my poor support? 38:40.824 --> 38:42.235 Because you're honest. 38:42.742 --> 38:45.578 And what is more to the purpose, you're known to be honest. 38:45.662 --> 38:48.200 Those like Norfolk follow me because I wear the crown. 38:48.290 --> 38:51.741 Those like Cromwell follow because they're jackals with sharp teeth... 38:51.835 --> 38:54.041 ...and I'm their tiger. A mass follows me... 38:54.129 --> 38:56.086 ...because it follows anything that moves. 38:58.633 --> 38:59.878 And then there's you. 39:01.845 --> 39:05.510 I am sick to think how much I must displease Your Grace. 39:06.141 --> 39:09.841 No, Thomas, I respect your sincerity. 39:13.190 --> 39:14.814 But respect... 39:15.442 --> 39:18.229 ...man, that's water in the desert. 39:23.783 --> 39:25.194 How'd you like our music? 39:25.285 --> 39:27.408 That air they played, it had a certain.... 39:27.496 --> 39:29.987 Well, tell me what you thought of it. 39:30.081 --> 39:32.323 Could it have been Your Grace's own? 39:32.709 --> 39:33.872 Discovered! 39:34.711 --> 39:37.665 Now I'll never know your true opinion, and that's irksome. 39:37.756 --> 39:41.207 Well, we artists, we love praise, yet we love truth better. 39:41.426 --> 39:43.798 - Then I will tell my true opinion. - Well? 39:43.887 --> 39:47.090 To me it seemed delightful. 39:49.017 --> 39:53.229 Thomas, I chose the right man for chancellor. 39:53.313 --> 39:57.560 I should in fairness add that my taste in music is reputedly deplorable. 39:58.401 --> 40:00.643 Your taste in music is excellent! 40:00.737 --> 40:02.943 It exactly coincides with my own. 40:07.369 --> 40:08.567 Music. 40:10.163 --> 40:11.444 Music. 40:12.457 --> 40:16.669 Send them back without me, Thomas. I'll live here in Chelsea and make music. 40:16.753 --> 40:18.959 My house is at Your Grace's disposal. 40:19.047 --> 40:21.538 Touching this other business, mark you... 40:23.927 --> 40:25.836 ...I'll have no opposition. 40:27.597 --> 40:29.008 Your Grace. 40:29.099 --> 40:33.346 No opposition, I say. No opposition. 40:34.312 --> 40:35.688 Be seated. 40:38.733 --> 40:43.194 I'll leave you out of it but you are my chancellor. 40:44.447 --> 40:48.445 I don't take it kindly and I'll have no opposition! 40:50.954 --> 40:52.828 I see how it will be. 40:54.040 --> 40:56.199 The bishops will oppose me! 40:56.626 --> 41:01.253 The full-fed princes of the Church! Hypocrites! All hypocrites! 41:01.423 --> 41:03.748 Mind they do not take you in, Thomas! 41:03.884 --> 41:05.461 Your Grace is unjust. 41:05.552 --> 41:08.672 If I cannot serve Your Grace in this great matter of the Queen. 41:08.763 --> 41:11.136 I have no queen! 41:11.808 --> 41:13.848 Catherine's not my wife! 41:14.603 --> 41:16.726 No priest can make her so. 41:17.439 --> 41:21.139 They that say she is my wife are not only liars, but traitors! 41:23.153 --> 41:24.695 Yes, traitors! 41:25.530 --> 41:27.322 That I will not brook now! 41:27.949 --> 41:29.112 Treachery! 41:30.243 --> 41:31.441 I will not brook. 41:31.536 --> 41:32.865 It maddens me! 41:33.288 --> 41:38.875 It is a deadly canker in the body politic, and I will have it out! 41:48.720 --> 41:49.835 See? 41:52.015 --> 41:54.304 You see how you've maddened me? 41:54.893 --> 41:57.182 I hardly know myself. 42:05.028 --> 42:08.112 If you could come with me, there's no man I'd sooner raise... 42:08.198 --> 42:10.072 ...yes, with my own hand. 42:10.408 --> 42:12.484 Your Grace overwhelms me. 42:22.420 --> 42:23.879 What's that? 42:24.381 --> 42:26.041 Eight o'clock, Your Grace. 42:28.051 --> 42:29.925 Lift yourself up, man. 42:33.890 --> 42:36.595 Have I not promised I'll leave you out of it? 42:38.228 --> 42:39.508 Shall we eat? 42:39.646 --> 42:41.271 If Your Grace pleases. 42:45.610 --> 42:47.152 Eight o'clock, you said. 42:48.738 --> 42:50.482 The tide will be turning. 42:50.866 --> 42:54.032 - I was forgetting the tide. I must go. - I'm sorry, Your Grace. 42:54.536 --> 42:57.490 If I don't catch the tide I'll not get back to Richmond. 42:57.581 --> 42:59.123 No, don't come. 43:02.711 --> 43:06.376 Lady Alice, I must go and catch the tide. Affairs call me to court. 43:06.464 --> 43:09.134 So we give you our thanks and we say goodnight! 43:31.490 --> 43:32.770 What's this? 43:33.366 --> 43:35.240 - You crossed him! - Somewhat. 43:35.327 --> 43:37.450 - Why? - I couldn't find the other way. 43:37.537 --> 43:39.577 You're too nice altogether, Thomas. 43:39.664 --> 43:43.164 - Woman, mind your house! - I am minding my house! 43:46.505 --> 43:48.414 God save Your Majesty! 43:49.758 --> 43:51.585 God save Your Grace! 43:58.767 --> 44:00.510 God save the King! 44:03.313 --> 44:04.593 Lift! 44:12.614 --> 44:13.812 Drop blades! 44:16.368 --> 44:18.610 Sire! Sire! Sire! 44:50.485 --> 44:52.727 Are you coming my way, Rich? 44:55.031 --> 44:56.111 No. 44:58.118 --> 45:00.360 I think you should, you know. 45:00.829 --> 45:02.952 I can't tell you anything. 45:09.629 --> 45:10.792 Well? 45:23.476 --> 45:24.721 Thomas? 45:27.189 --> 45:28.980 Stay friends with him. 45:30.484 --> 45:34.232 Whatever may be done by smiling, you may rely on me to do. 45:41.495 --> 45:43.653 Set your mind at rest. 45:43.955 --> 45:47.205 This is not the stuff of which martyrs are made. 45:56.885 --> 45:59.886 Good evening, sir, Lady Alice. 46:01.306 --> 46:03.263 Will wants to talk to you, Father. 46:04.768 --> 46:06.677 I told him it wouldn't be convenient. 46:06.770 --> 46:07.766 You were quite right. 46:08.563 --> 46:11.481 You're very free with my daughter's hand, Roper. 46:12.025 --> 46:12.890 Yes. 46:13.527 --> 46:15.436 It's of that I wish to speak. 46:15.821 --> 46:18.738 Sir, you've had a disagreement with His Majesty. 46:19.616 --> 46:21.941 - Have I? - So Meg tells me. 46:22.035 --> 46:23.992 I offer my congratulations. 46:24.371 --> 46:27.288 If it's true, is it a matter for congratulation? 46:27.374 --> 46:28.405 Yes! 46:31.795 --> 46:36.457 Sir, when last I asked you for your daughter's hand... 46:36.716 --> 46:39.920 ...you objected to my unorthodox opinions. 46:40.470 --> 46:41.668 - I did. - Yes. 46:41.763 --> 46:44.432 Well, since then my views have somewhat modified. 46:48.937 --> 46:50.728 Well, that's good hearing, Will. 46:51.690 --> 46:55.390 Mind you, I modify nothing concerning the various corruptions in the Church. 46:55.485 --> 46:58.320 - Quite right. - But an attack upon the Church herself... 46:58.405 --> 47:00.943 ...no. I see behind that an attack on God. 47:01.032 --> 47:02.527 - Roper! - The Devil's work... 47:02.617 --> 47:04.409 ...to be done by the Devil's ministers! 47:04.494 --> 47:06.403 For heaven's sake, remember my office. 47:06.496 --> 47:07.955 If you stand on your office-- 47:08.039 --> 47:12.251 No, I don't stand on it, but there are certain things I may not hear. 47:12.961 --> 47:13.625 Sir Thomas. 47:16.173 --> 47:17.453 Richard? 47:18.216 --> 47:19.379 I fell. 47:21.219 --> 47:22.464 Lady Alice. 47:22.804 --> 47:24.382 - Lady Margaret. - Good evening. 47:24.472 --> 47:26.880 Do you know William Roper, the younger? 47:27.058 --> 47:28.932 By reputation, of course. 47:29.186 --> 47:31.474 - Good evening, Master.... - Rich. 47:38.987 --> 47:40.481 You've heard of me? 47:40.739 --> 47:41.853 Yes. 47:42.199 --> 47:45.614 In what connection? I don't know what you can have heard. 47:51.500 --> 47:53.658 I sense that I'm not welcome here. 47:53.919 --> 47:57.003 Why Richard? Have you done something to make you not welcome? 47:57.088 --> 47:58.464 Cromwell is asking questions. 47:58.548 --> 48:01.964 About you. He's always asking questions about you and your opinions. 48:02.469 --> 48:03.749 Of whom? 48:04.804 --> 48:07.046 Of him, for one. That's one of his sources. 48:08.725 --> 48:11.097 Of course. That's one of my servants. 48:12.771 --> 48:14.395 All right, Matthew. 48:19.402 --> 48:21.810 Well, you look at me as though I were an enemy. 48:24.449 --> 48:26.406 Why Richard, you're shaking. 48:28.161 --> 48:29.442 Help me. 48:30.372 --> 48:31.368 How? 48:31.498 --> 48:32.778 Employ me. 48:33.500 --> 48:34.579 No. 48:35.126 --> 48:36.918 - Employ me! - No. 48:52.519 --> 48:54.346 I would be faithful. 48:58.108 --> 49:02.271 You couldn't answer for yourself even so far as tonight. 49:14.416 --> 49:15.614 Arrest him! 49:15.750 --> 49:17.245 - For what? - He's dangerous! 49:17.335 --> 49:19.127 - Libel. He's a spy! - That man's bad! 49:19.212 --> 49:21.419 - There's no law against that. - God's law! 49:21.506 --> 49:24.080 - Then God can arrest him. - While you talk, he's gone! 49:24.176 --> 49:27.212 Go he should, if he were the Devil, until he broke the law. 49:27.304 --> 49:30.969 - Now you give the Devil benefit of law! - Yes, what would you do? 49:31.057 --> 49:33.595 Cut a road through the law to get after the Devil? 49:33.685 --> 49:36.639 Yes. I'd cut down every law in England to do that. 49:37.480 --> 49:40.565 And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned on you... 49:40.650 --> 49:43.687 ...where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? 49:43.778 --> 49:46.483 This country is planted with laws from coast to coast... 49:46.573 --> 49:49.194 ...Man's laws, not God's, and if you cut them down... 49:49.284 --> 49:51.027 ...and you're just the man to do it... 49:51.119 --> 49:55.615 ...do you really think you could stand upright in the wind that would blow then? 49:56.583 --> 49:57.413 Yes. 49:57.501 --> 50:01.794 I give the Devil benefit of law for my own safety's sake. 50:39.709 --> 50:41.453 - Master Rich? - Yes. 50:41.586 --> 50:43.128 In there, sir. 50:49.177 --> 50:51.217 Rich? Come in. 50:55.267 --> 50:57.390 Taken you long enough to get here. 50:57.477 --> 50:59.185 Have I kept you waiting? 51:00.397 --> 51:01.642 Months. 51:04.025 --> 51:06.232 - Here. - Thank you. 51:07.654 --> 51:09.196 Do you know the news? 51:09.531 --> 51:12.651 - What news? - Sir Thomas Paget is retiring. 51:14.202 --> 51:16.278 And I succeed him. 51:17.497 --> 51:19.241 Secretary to the Council? 51:19.332 --> 51:20.447 You? 51:21.001 --> 51:22.709 'Tis surprising, isn't it? 51:24.087 --> 51:26.874 I mean, one sees that's logical. 51:28.842 --> 51:31.712 Sit down, Rich. No ceremony, no courtship... 51:31.845 --> 51:33.921 ...as His Majesty would say. 51:37.392 --> 51:39.183 You see how I trust you. 51:40.145 --> 51:42.897 I'd never repeat or report a thing like that. 51:44.191 --> 51:46.978 What kind of thing would you repeat or report? 51:49.070 --> 51:50.862 Nothing said in friendship. 51:51.281 --> 51:52.609 Do you believe that? 51:52.699 --> 51:54.692 - Why, yes. - No, seriously. 51:54.784 --> 51:56.160 Well, yes. 51:56.495 --> 52:00.444 Rich, seriously. 52:05.670 --> 52:09.004 That would depend what I was offered. 52:10.884 --> 52:12.508 Don't say it just to please me. 52:12.594 --> 52:15.299 It's true. It would depend what I was offered. 52:17.390 --> 52:20.344 Well, there is another post vacant. 52:20.810 --> 52:23.017 Collector of Revenues for York. 52:23.647 --> 52:25.271 Is it in your gift? 52:25.357 --> 52:26.732 Effectively. 52:27.776 --> 52:29.567 What must I do for it? 52:31.988 --> 52:35.274 I know a man who wants to change his woman. 52:36.910 --> 52:39.827 Normally a matter of small importance, but in this case... 52:39.913 --> 52:43.080 ...it's our liege, Lord Henry, the eighth of that name. 52:43.834 --> 52:48.211 Which is a quaint way of saying that if he wants to change his woman, he will. 52:48.296 --> 52:50.455 And our job as administrators... 52:51.049 --> 52:55.378 ...is to minimize the inconvenience which this is going to cause. 52:55.512 --> 52:59.806 That's our only job, Rich, to minimize the inconvenience of things. 53:00.267 --> 53:03.268 A harmless occupation you would say, but no. 53:03.520 --> 53:06.521 We administrators are not liked, Rich. 53:06.982 --> 53:08.773 We are not popular. 53:08.859 --> 53:13.070 I say "we" on the assumption you'll accept the post at York I've offered you. 53:18.034 --> 53:19.149 Yes. 53:27.002 --> 53:30.371 It's a bad sign when people are depressed by their own good fortune. 53:30.463 --> 53:32.503 - I'm not depressed. - You look depressed. 53:32.591 --> 53:34.998 I was lamenting. I've lost my innocence. 53:35.093 --> 53:37.964 Some time ago. Have you only just noticed? 53:39.472 --> 53:43.636 Your friend, our present Lord Chancellor, now there's an innocent man. 53:45.770 --> 53:47.644 The odd thing is, he is. 53:47.898 --> 53:50.898 Yes, I say he is. Unhappily... 53:50.984 --> 53:53.356 ...his innocence is tangled up in this problem... 53:53.445 --> 53:56.197 ...that you can't change your woman without a divorce... 53:56.281 --> 53:59.531 ...and you can't get a divorce unless the Pope says so. 53:59.659 --> 54:04.202 And from this meaningless circumstance, I foresee a certain measure of.... 54:04.539 --> 54:06.828 - Inconvenience? - Just so. 54:07.918 --> 54:10.669 This goblet he gave you, how much was it worth? 54:12.589 --> 54:16.800 Come along, he gave you a silver goblet. How much did you get for it? 54:17.135 --> 54:18.333 Fifty shillings. 54:18.428 --> 54:21.429 It was a gift, wasn't it, from a litigant, a woman? 54:22.015 --> 54:24.008 - Yes. - Which court? Chancery? 54:25.769 --> 54:27.845 Don't get drunk! 54:28.355 --> 54:30.928 Which court was the litigant's case? 54:32.859 --> 54:34.603 Court of Requests. 54:36.696 --> 54:39.448 There. That wasn't too painful, was it? 54:42.077 --> 54:43.488 - No. - No. 54:43.620 --> 54:46.241 And you'll find it easier, next time. 55:21.658 --> 55:24.493 My Lord Archbishop, my lords... 55:24.870 --> 55:27.242 ...Reverend Doctors of the Church. 55:27.455 --> 55:30.373 The answer of our liege, Lord Henry... 55:30.458 --> 55:32.914 ...to his trusty well-beloved subjects... 55:33.003 --> 55:35.754 ...pontiffs in the Canterbury Convocation. 55:37.465 --> 55:38.746 "His Majesty... 55:38.884 --> 55:42.833 "...acknowledges your humble admission of many grievous errors... 55:44.014 --> 55:45.472 "...for which he accepts... 55:45.557 --> 55:50.219 "...the manumission of £100,000 in token. 55:52.731 --> 55:56.563 "Mindful for the well-being of the realm and the quietness of his subjects... 55:56.651 --> 56:01.064 "...His Majesty requires that you do now straightly renounce your pretended... 56:01.156 --> 56:03.563 "...allegiance to the See of Rome. 56:04.117 --> 56:07.284 "And admit the statute passed through parliament... 56:07.621 --> 56:10.159 "...acknowledging the King's good title... 56:10.749 --> 56:13.536 "...Supreme Head of the Church in England." 56:19.174 --> 56:22.128 Well, my lords, what's your answer? 56:24.095 --> 56:26.468 Yea or nay? 56:28.767 --> 56:31.305 His Majesty accepts your resignation very sadly. 56:31.686 --> 56:34.059 He's mindful of your goodness and past loyalty. 56:34.147 --> 56:38.643 And in any matter concerning your honor and welfare he'll continue your good lord. 56:40.028 --> 56:42.270 You will convey my humble gratitude. 56:48.537 --> 56:50.944 - Help me with this. - Not I. 56:54.501 --> 56:56.375 - Alice? - No. 56:57.337 --> 57:02.082 Sun and moon, Master More, you're taken for a wise man. Is this wisdom? 57:02.384 --> 57:04.092 To betray your ability... 57:04.177 --> 57:07.842 ...abandon your station and forget your duty to your kith and kin? 57:08.557 --> 57:10.217 Shall I, sir? 57:11.893 --> 57:14.515 No, thank you, son Roper. 57:16.356 --> 57:17.519 Margaret... 57:18.817 --> 57:20.192 ...will you? 57:21.528 --> 57:22.773 Yes. 57:27.909 --> 57:29.818 If you want. 57:34.958 --> 57:36.832 There's my clever girl. 57:40.213 --> 57:44.626 Well done, sir! In my opinion, that thing's a degradation. 57:44.759 --> 57:47.333 I'll tell you my opinion of the King's title, too-- 57:47.429 --> 57:51.296 Don't! Will, silence! Remember, you have a wife now... 57:52.184 --> 57:53.927 ...and may have children. 58:05.780 --> 58:07.856 All right, Thomas, make me understand... 58:07.949 --> 58:10.736 ...because I tell you, to me this looks like cowardice! 58:10.827 --> 58:11.776 All right, I will. 58:12.078 --> 58:15.613 This isn't reformation, this is war against the Church. 58:15.832 --> 58:19.497 Our King has declared war on the Pope because the Pope will not declare... 58:19.586 --> 58:22.457 - ...that our Queen is not his wife. - And is she? 58:25.550 --> 58:26.879 Is she? 58:29.387 --> 58:32.305 Have I your word that what we say here is between us two? 58:32.390 --> 58:33.588 Very well. 58:33.725 --> 58:37.260 And if the King should command you to repeat what I may say? 58:37.395 --> 58:39.353 I should keep my word to you. 58:39.481 --> 58:43.313 Then what has become of your oath of obedience to the King? 58:46.029 --> 58:47.856 You lay traps for me! 58:47.948 --> 58:50.569 No, I show you the times. 58:53.870 --> 58:57.738 We are at war with the Pope. For the Pope's a prince, isn't he? 58:57.833 --> 59:01.877 He is. He's also the descendant of St. Peter, our only link with Christ. 59:01.962 --> 59:05.829 So you believe. And will you forfeit all you have... 59:05.924 --> 59:08.878 ...which includes the respect of your country, for a belief? 59:08.969 --> 59:12.254 Because what matters is that I believe it, or rather, no... 59:12.848 --> 59:16.014 ...not that I believe it, but that I believe it. 59:16.810 --> 59:20.179 - I trust I make myself obscure? - Perfectly. 59:22.941 --> 59:26.773 Why do you insult me with this lawyer's chatter? 59:27.487 --> 59:29.396 Because I'm afraid. 59:29.573 --> 59:31.197 Man, you're ill. 59:33.994 --> 59:36.615 This isn't Spain, you know. This is England. 59:56.057 --> 01:00:00.102 My friends, you all know why I've called you here. 01:00:00.854 --> 01:00:04.270 I have today resigned my office. 01:00:06.735 --> 01:00:09.736 I am no longer a great man. 01:00:10.947 --> 01:00:14.233 Sir, we want you to know that we're all on your side. 01:00:15.076 --> 01:00:17.532 My side? What side is that? 01:00:17.913 --> 01:00:19.822 Well, sir, we all know what you think. 01:00:19.915 --> 01:00:22.406 None of you knows what I think. And if you guess... 01:00:22.501 --> 01:00:25.537 ...and babble it about, you do me no good service. 01:00:27.339 --> 01:00:31.206 Since I am no more a great man, I no longer need a great household. 01:00:31.301 --> 01:00:36.093 Nor can I afford one. You will have to go. 01:00:36.473 --> 01:00:39.557 However, I still number some great men among my friends... 01:00:39.643 --> 01:00:41.931 ...and they still need great households. 01:00:42.020 --> 01:00:45.436 No one will be turned away until we've found another place for him. 01:00:45.524 --> 01:00:48.441 - We can't find places for them all. - Yes, we can. 01:00:50.654 --> 01:00:52.148 Thank you. 01:00:53.448 --> 01:00:54.942 That is all. 01:01:05.669 --> 01:01:07.329 What about you, Matthew? 01:01:11.007 --> 01:01:12.550 Will you stay? 01:01:12.676 --> 01:01:14.633 Well, sir, that's according. 01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:17.507 There will be more work and less money. 01:01:18.849 --> 01:01:22.893 Well then, I don't see how I can then, sir. After all, I've got my own-- 01:01:22.978 --> 01:01:26.927 Quite right, Matthew. Why should you? I shall miss you, Matthew. 01:01:28.066 --> 01:01:30.853 Oh, no, sir, you see through me, sir. I know that. 01:01:35.532 --> 01:01:37.240 I shall miss you. 01:01:48.837 --> 01:01:51.126 Damn me! Isn't that them all over! 01:01:51.590 --> 01:01:53.962 Miss me? What's in me for him to miss? 01:01:54.050 --> 01:01:58.380 "Matthew, will you take a cut in wages?" No, Sir Thomas, I will not. 01:01:58.471 --> 01:02:03.383 And that's it. And that's all of it! All right, so he's down on his luck, I'm sorry. 01:02:04.186 --> 01:02:06.427 I don't mind saying that I'm sorry, bad luck. 01:02:06.730 --> 01:02:08.888 If I had good luck to spare he could have some! 01:02:08.982 --> 01:02:10.975 I wish we could have good luck all the time. 01:02:11.067 --> 01:02:15.694 I wish rainwater was beer! I wish we had wings! But we don't. 01:02:26.833 --> 01:02:29.205 Well, there's an end of you. 01:02:30.086 --> 01:02:32.126 What'll you do now? Sit by the fire... 01:02:32.214 --> 01:02:34.372 ...and make goslings in the ash? 01:02:34.466 --> 01:02:36.505 Not at all, Alice. 01:02:37.385 --> 01:02:39.793 I expect I'll write a bit... 01:02:40.972 --> 01:02:42.348 ...I'll write... 01:02:43.225 --> 01:02:45.383 ...I'll read, I'll think. 01:02:47.020 --> 01:02:48.847 I think I'll learn to fish. 01:02:50.607 --> 01:02:54.557 I'll play with my grandchildren when son Roper's done his duty. 01:02:56.321 --> 01:02:59.737 - Alice, shall I teach you to read? - No, by God! 01:03:03.203 --> 01:03:06.120 Poor, silly man, you think they'll leave you here to think? 01:03:06.206 --> 01:03:08.661 If we govern our tongues, they will! 01:03:12.337 --> 01:03:16.880 I have a word to say on that. I've made no statement. I've resigned, that's all. 01:03:18.218 --> 01:03:22.168 The King is made, by act of parliament, Supreme Head of the Church in England. 01:03:22.264 --> 01:03:26.557 This English Church will divorce him from the Queen, then marry him to Lady Anne. 01:03:26.643 --> 01:03:30.510 But on any of these matters, have you heard me make a statement? 01:03:30.647 --> 01:03:31.678 No. 01:03:31.982 --> 01:03:35.766 If I'm to lose my rank and fall to housekeeping, I want to know the reason. 01:03:35.861 --> 01:03:37.900 - So make a statement now. - No. 01:03:37.988 --> 01:03:40.989 Alice, it's a point of law. Accept it from me... 01:03:41.074 --> 01:03:43.992 ...that in silence is my safety, under the law. 01:03:44.077 --> 01:03:47.742 And my silence must be absolute, it must extend to you. 01:03:47.831 --> 01:03:49.954 In short, you don't trust me. 01:03:53.670 --> 01:03:57.620 I'm the Lord Chief Justice, I'm Cromwell, I'm the keeper of the Tower. 01:03:57.966 --> 01:03:59.341 I take your hand... 01:03:59.426 --> 01:04:03.293 ...I clamp it on the Bible, on the blessed Cross and I say: 01:04:03.388 --> 01:04:06.757 "Woman, has your husband made a statement on these matters? 01:04:07.350 --> 01:04:10.802 "On peril of your soul remember, what is your answer?" 01:04:12.898 --> 01:04:13.977 No. 01:04:15.233 --> 01:04:18.020 And so it must remain. 01:04:26.995 --> 01:04:29.486 Have you opened your mind to Meg? 01:04:29.956 --> 01:04:32.743 Would I tell Meg what I won't tell you? 01:04:33.460 --> 01:04:36.829 Meg has your heart. I know that well enough. 01:04:48.558 --> 01:04:50.717 This is a dangerous matter then... 01:04:51.686 --> 01:04:53.478 ...if you've not told Meg. 01:04:54.147 --> 01:04:57.101 I don't think so. No. 01:04:58.443 --> 01:05:00.566 When they find I'm silent... 01:05:01.321 --> 01:05:04.488 ...they'll want nothing better than to leave me silent. 01:05:05.742 --> 01:05:07.284 You'll see. 01:05:29.432 --> 01:05:32.801 But he's silent, Master Secretary, why not leave him silent? 01:05:32.978 --> 01:05:36.014 Your Grace, not being a man of letters... 01:05:36.648 --> 01:05:39.483 ...you perhaps don't realize the extent of his reputation. 01:05:39.568 --> 01:05:42.522 This silence of his is bellowing up and down Europe! 01:05:42.612 --> 01:05:44.819 In Europe he is claimed as the King's enemy. 01:05:44.906 --> 01:05:47.362 Rubbish! Crank he may be, traitor he is not. 01:05:47.450 --> 01:05:49.858 Exactly. And with a little pressure.... 01:05:50.871 --> 01:05:53.077 With a little pressure he can be got to say so. 01:05:53.165 --> 01:05:55.916 That's all we need. A brief declaration of his loyalty... 01:05:56.001 --> 01:05:59.915 - ...to the present administration. - I still say, let sleeping dogs lie. 01:06:00.797 --> 01:06:03.086 The King does not agree with you. 01:06:08.138 --> 01:06:12.266 What kind of pressure do you think you can bring to bear? 01:06:12.934 --> 01:06:16.884 I have evidence that Sir Thomas, while he was a judge, accepted bribes. 01:06:16.980 --> 01:06:18.391 What? 01:06:18.690 --> 01:06:22.604 Goddammit! He was the only judge since Cato who didn't accept bribes! 01:06:22.694 --> 01:06:25.980 When was there a chancellor whose possessions, after three years... 01:06:26.072 --> 01:06:28.908 ...totaled £100 and a gold chain? 01:06:32.913 --> 01:06:35.238 It is, as you imply, common practice... 01:06:35.332 --> 01:06:38.368 ...but a practice may be common and remain an offense. 01:06:38.460 --> 01:06:41.033 This offense could send a man to the Tower. 01:06:46.218 --> 01:06:47.498 Come here. 01:06:48.512 --> 01:06:51.845 This woman's name is Averil Machin. She comes from Leicester. 01:06:51.932 --> 01:06:54.055 - She entered a case-- - A property case it was. 01:06:54.142 --> 01:06:55.601 Shut your mouth. 01:06:56.520 --> 01:06:59.224 A property case in the Court of Requests in April, 1528. 01:06:59.314 --> 01:07:00.856 And got a wicked false judgment! 01:07:00.941 --> 01:07:03.776 And got an impeccably correct judgment from Sir Thomas. 01:07:03.860 --> 01:07:05.936 - No, sir, it was not! - Tell the gentleman... 01:07:06.029 --> 01:07:08.734 ...about the gift you gave the judge. 01:07:09.866 --> 01:07:11.574 I gave him a cup, sir. 01:07:11.701 --> 01:07:15.153 A silver Italian cup I bought in Leicester, for 100 shillings. 01:07:15.247 --> 01:07:17.239 Did Sir Thomas accept this cup? 01:07:17.499 --> 01:07:18.697 Yes, sir, he did. 01:07:18.792 --> 01:07:22.243 He did accept it. We can corroborate that. You can go. 01:07:22.587 --> 01:07:24.496 - To my way of thinking-- - Go! 01:07:33.431 --> 01:07:36.101 - Is that your witness? - No. 01:07:36.893 --> 01:07:41.639 By an odd coincidence that cup later came into the hands of Master Rich here. 01:07:43.441 --> 01:07:44.556 How? 01:07:47.487 --> 01:07:50.572 - He gave it to me, Your Grace. - Gave it to you? Why? 01:07:50.991 --> 01:07:52.236 A gift. 01:07:53.243 --> 01:07:56.363 Yes, you were a friend, weren't you? 01:07:56.997 --> 01:07:59.239 When did Thomas give you this thing? 01:08:00.083 --> 01:08:01.957 I can't exactly remember. 01:08:04.796 --> 01:08:07.204 Do you "remember" what you did with it? 01:08:07.632 --> 01:08:09.424 - I sold it. - Where? 01:08:10.093 --> 01:08:12.299 - A shop. - Has the shop still got it? 01:08:13.388 --> 01:08:15.546 No. They've lost all track of it. 01:08:15.807 --> 01:08:17.265 How convenient. 01:08:19.394 --> 01:08:21.517 You doubt Master Rich's word, Your Grace? 01:08:21.604 --> 01:08:23.930 It had occurred to me. 01:08:26.984 --> 01:08:29.060 This is the bill of sale. 01:08:39.872 --> 01:08:44.665 That cow put her case into court in April, you said. This is dated May. 01:08:45.795 --> 01:08:48.749 In other words, the moment Thomas knew the cup was a bribe... 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:52.256 ...he dropped it into the nearest gutter. 01:08:55.138 --> 01:08:58.139 The facts will bear that interpretation, I suppose. 01:08:59.392 --> 01:09:02.144 This is a horse that won't run, Master Secretary. 01:09:02.229 --> 01:09:05.015 Just a trial gallop. We'll find something better. 01:09:05.106 --> 01:09:07.680 - I want no part of it. - You have no choice. 01:09:09.569 --> 01:09:11.313 What's that you say? 01:09:12.781 --> 01:09:17.194 The King particularly wishes you to be active in this matter of Sir Thomas. 01:09:17.661 --> 01:09:19.203 He's not told me that. 01:09:19.287 --> 01:09:21.197 Indeed? He told me. 01:09:25.335 --> 01:09:26.960 Look here, Cromwell... 01:09:27.254 --> 01:09:29.412 ...what's the purpose of all this? 01:09:29.548 --> 01:09:31.090 There you have me. 01:09:32.466 --> 01:09:34.709 It's a matter of conscience, I think. 01:09:34.928 --> 01:09:38.426 The King wants Sir Thomas to bless his marriage. 01:09:38.890 --> 01:09:43.386 If Sir Thomas appeared at the wedding now, it might save us all a lot of trouble. 01:09:45.939 --> 01:09:48.346 He won't attend the wedding. 01:09:48.483 --> 01:09:50.974 If I were you, I'd try and persuade him. 01:09:51.611 --> 01:09:54.778 I really would try, if I were you. 01:09:57.284 --> 01:10:00.285 Cromwell, are you threatening me? 01:10:00.412 --> 01:10:03.745 My dear Norfolk, this isn't Spain. 01:10:04.624 --> 01:10:06.284 This is England! 01:12:22.679 --> 01:12:25.170 Thomas? Thomas! 01:13:31.122 --> 01:13:32.237 Lady Margaret? 01:13:32.332 --> 01:13:33.197 Yes. 01:13:35.502 --> 01:13:39.001 We've been cutting greens. We use them for fuel. 01:13:41.258 --> 01:13:45.587 I have a letter for your father, Lady Margaret. From Hampton Court. 01:13:49.015 --> 01:13:53.143 He's to answer certain charges before Secretary Cromwell. 01:13:56.314 --> 01:13:58.188 Good of you to come, Sir Thomas. 01:14:04.197 --> 01:14:06.735 Master Rich will make a record of our conversation. 01:14:06.825 --> 01:14:08.864 Good of you to tell me, Master Secretary. 01:14:08.952 --> 01:14:10.446 I think you know one another. 01:14:10.537 --> 01:14:12.862 Indeed yes, we're old friends. 01:14:13.832 --> 01:14:16.157 That's a nice gown you have, Richard. 01:14:21.339 --> 01:14:23.581 Sir Thomas, believe me. 01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:27.880 No, that's asking too much. But let me tell you all the same. 01:14:28.180 --> 01:14:31.964 You have no more sincere admirer than myself. 01:14:33.101 --> 01:14:35.473 No, not yet, Rich, not yet. 01:14:39.482 --> 01:14:41.309 If I might hear the charges. 01:14:41.401 --> 01:14:44.355 - The charges? - I understand there are certain charges. 01:14:44.446 --> 01:14:48.064 Some ambiguities of behavior I should like to clarify, hardly charges. 01:14:48.158 --> 01:14:51.823 Make a note of that, will you, Master Rich? There are no charges. 01:14:52.829 --> 01:14:55.071 Sir Thomas, Sir Thomas. 01:15:00.086 --> 01:15:03.123 The King is not pleased with you. 01:15:03.924 --> 01:15:05.418 I am grieved. 01:15:06.218 --> 01:15:09.717 And yet, do you know that even now, if you could bring yourself... 01:15:09.804 --> 01:15:13.423 ...to agree with the Church, universities, the Lords and the Commons... 01:15:13.517 --> 01:15:17.301 ...there is no honor which His Majesty would be likely to deny you? 01:15:17.854 --> 01:15:21.140 I am well acquainted with His Grace's generosity. 01:15:24.236 --> 01:15:25.350 Very well. 01:15:27.823 --> 01:15:32.069 You have heard of the so-called "Holy Maid of Kent"... 01:15:32.494 --> 01:15:34.985 ...who was executed for prophesying against the King? 01:15:35.080 --> 01:15:37.238 - Yes, I met her. - Yes, you met her. 01:15:37.415 --> 01:15:41.034 Yet you did not warn His Majesty of her treason. How was that? 01:15:41.127 --> 01:15:44.496 She spoke no treason. Our talk was not political. 01:15:44.881 --> 01:15:47.882 But the woman was notorious. Do you expect me to believe that? 01:15:47.968 --> 01:15:51.171 - Happily, there were witnesses. - You wrote a letter to her. 01:15:51.263 --> 01:15:56.174 Yes. I wrote, advising her to abstain from meddling in the affairs of state. 01:15:56.268 --> 01:16:00.182 I have a copy of the letter. Also witnessed. 01:16:02.357 --> 01:16:07.434 - You have been cautious. - I like to keep my affairs regular. 01:16:14.536 --> 01:16:18.450 In the June of 1521, the King published a book. 01:16:19.457 --> 01:16:20.952 A theological work. 01:16:22.460 --> 01:16:25.165 It was called, A Defense of the Seven Sacraments. 01:16:25.255 --> 01:16:30.213 For which he was named "Defender of the Faith" by His Holiness, the Pope. 01:16:30.302 --> 01:16:33.671 By the Bishop of Rome, or do you insist on "pope"? 01:16:33.763 --> 01:16:37.927 No. "Bishop of Rome" if you like. It doesn't alter his authority. 01:16:39.060 --> 01:16:44.399 Thank you. You come to the point very readily. What is that authority? 01:16:44.482 --> 01:16:46.559 For example, in the Church of England... 01:16:46.651 --> 01:16:49.486 ...what exactly is the Bishop of Rome's authority? 01:16:50.405 --> 01:16:54.734 You will find it very ably set out and defended, Master Secretary... 01:16:54.993 --> 01:16:56.784 ...in the King's book. 01:16:57.370 --> 01:17:00.704 In the book published under the King's name, would be more accurate. 01:17:00.790 --> 01:17:03.282 - You wrote this book. - I wrote no part of it. 01:17:03.376 --> 01:17:05.250 I don't mean you actually held the pen. 01:17:05.337 --> 01:17:08.172 I answered to my best ability, some points of common law... 01:17:08.256 --> 01:17:10.582 ...which the King put to me, as I was bound to do. 01:17:10.675 --> 01:17:12.253 Do you deny you instigated it? 01:17:12.344 --> 01:17:15.926 It was from first to last the King's own project. 01:17:16.014 --> 01:17:17.129 The King says not. 01:17:20.602 --> 01:17:22.927 The King knows the truth of it. 01:17:23.813 --> 01:17:26.102 And whatever he may have said to you... 01:17:26.191 --> 01:17:29.394 ...he will not give evidence to support this accusation. 01:17:30.821 --> 01:17:32.101 Why not? 01:17:32.197 --> 01:17:36.491 Because evidence is given on oath, and he will not perjure himself. 01:17:37.077 --> 01:17:40.825 If you don't know that, then you don't yet know him. 01:17:46.503 --> 01:17:47.878 Sir Thomas More. 01:17:48.046 --> 01:17:49.244 Have you anything to say... 01:17:49.339 --> 01:17:51.711 ...regarding the King's marriage with Queen Anne? 01:17:52.634 --> 01:17:54.959 I understood I was not to be asked that again. 01:17:55.053 --> 01:17:57.176 Then you understood wrongly. These charges-- 01:17:57.264 --> 01:18:01.724 They are terrors for children, Master Secretary, not for me! 01:18:07.440 --> 01:18:10.192 Then know that the King commands me to charge you... 01:18:10.277 --> 01:18:12.850 ...in his name, with great ingratitude! 01:18:13.655 --> 01:18:17.735 And to tell you that there never was, nor could be, so villainous a servant... 01:18:17.826 --> 01:18:20.696 ...nor so traitorous a subject, as yourself! 01:18:22.539 --> 01:18:23.570 So... 01:18:26.293 --> 01:18:28.581 ...I am brought here at last. 01:18:29.546 --> 01:18:30.577 Brought? 01:18:31.882 --> 01:18:34.551 You've brought yourself to where you stand now. 01:18:36.803 --> 01:18:37.966 You may go. 01:18:43.518 --> 01:18:44.894 For the present. 01:18:51.318 --> 01:18:52.942 What will you do now? 01:18:55.155 --> 01:18:57.029 Whatever's necessary. 01:19:05.999 --> 01:19:07.030 Boat! 01:19:23.934 --> 01:19:26.935 Oh, come, come, it's not as bad as all that! 01:19:32.400 --> 01:19:33.645 Howard! 01:19:39.699 --> 01:19:41.277 I can't get home. 01:19:42.035 --> 01:19:43.862 They won't bring me a boat. 01:19:44.162 --> 01:19:45.906 Do you blame them? 01:19:46.081 --> 01:19:47.705 Is it as bad as that? 01:19:48.166 --> 01:19:50.491 It's every bit as bad as that! 01:19:51.586 --> 01:19:54.124 Then it's good of you to be seen with me. 01:19:54.214 --> 01:19:55.792 I followed you. 01:19:56.925 --> 01:19:58.668 Were you followed? 01:20:09.229 --> 01:20:11.435 - You're dangerous to know! - Then don't know me. 01:20:11.523 --> 01:20:13.480 - I do know you. - I mean as a friend. 01:20:13.567 --> 01:20:17.611 - I am your friend. I wish I wasn't, but I am. - What's to be done then? 01:20:17.737 --> 01:20:19.813 - Give in. - I can't give in, Howard. 01:20:19.906 --> 01:20:22.195 Our friendship's more mutable than that. 01:20:22.284 --> 01:20:25.035 The one fixed point in the world of turning friendship... 01:20:25.120 --> 01:20:28.868 - ...is that Sir More won't give in. - To me it has to be, for that's myself. 01:20:28.957 --> 01:20:31.578 Affection goes as deep in me as you, I think. 01:20:32.043 --> 01:20:36.504 But only God is love right through, Howard, and that's my self. 01:20:38.091 --> 01:20:39.466 And who are you? 01:20:41.219 --> 01:20:43.295 A lawyer! And a lawyer's son! 01:20:43.388 --> 01:20:47.433 We're supposed to be the proud ones, the arrogant ones, we've all given in. 01:20:47.517 --> 01:20:49.177 Why must you stand out? 01:20:49.269 --> 01:20:52.638 Goddammit man! It's disproportionate! 01:20:55.859 --> 01:20:57.436 You'll break my heart. 01:20:58.653 --> 01:21:02.521 No one is safe, Howard, and you have a son. 01:21:05.869 --> 01:21:08.158 We'll end our friendship now. 01:21:08.580 --> 01:21:10.703 - For friendship's sake? - Yes. 01:21:11.500 --> 01:21:12.413 Daft! 01:21:20.175 --> 01:21:22.084 Norfolk, you're a fool! 01:21:23.512 --> 01:21:25.967 You can't place a quarrel, you haven't the style. 01:21:26.056 --> 01:21:29.674 Hear me out. You and your class have given in, as you rightly call it... 01:21:29.768 --> 01:21:32.769 ...'cause this country's religion means nothing to you at all. 01:21:32.854 --> 01:21:35.096 Well, that's a foolish saying for a start! 01:21:36.066 --> 01:21:37.608 The nobility of England-- 01:21:37.692 --> 01:21:41.820 The nobility of England would have snored through the Sermon on the Mount! 01:21:41.905 --> 01:21:45.689 But you'll labour like scholars over a bulldog's pedigree. 01:21:46.201 --> 01:21:48.075 An artificial quarrel is not a quarrel. 01:21:48.161 --> 01:21:51.862 We've had a quarrel since the day we met. Our friendship was mere sloth. 01:21:52.165 --> 01:21:55.000 You can be cruel when you want, but I've always known that. 01:21:55.085 --> 01:21:58.288 What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? 01:22:00.298 --> 01:22:01.543 - Yes. - It's their nature? 01:22:01.633 --> 01:22:03.424 - Yes. - It's why you breed them? 01:22:03.510 --> 01:22:04.708 It's so with men. 01:22:05.136 --> 01:22:07.129 I will not give in, because I oppose it. 01:22:07.222 --> 01:22:12.809 Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my appetites, but I do, I. 01:22:13.687 --> 01:22:17.767 Is there, in the midst of all this muscle, no sinew that serves no appetite... 01:22:17.858 --> 01:22:20.183 ...of Norfolk's, but is just Norfolk? There is! 01:22:20.277 --> 01:22:22.234 - Give that some exercise, my lord! - Thomas! 01:22:22.320 --> 01:22:25.357 As you stand you'll go before your Maker ill conditioned! 01:22:25.448 --> 01:22:26.148 Now steady. 01:22:26.241 --> 01:22:31.152 And he'll think that, somewhere back along your pedigree, a bitch got over the wall! 01:22:45.552 --> 01:22:49.597 Cast in this very house on April 3, last year... 01:22:49.973 --> 01:22:54.350 ...it is a matter very fit for the Commons, gathered here... 01:22:54.436 --> 01:22:57.009 ...in parliament, to take in hand. 01:22:57.272 --> 01:23:01.435 Or, in consequence of the decay of guilds... 01:23:01.735 --> 01:23:05.863 ...the woolen cloth, now coming out of Yorkshire, Lincoln... 01:23:05.947 --> 01:23:09.447 ...and the like, is not to blame and this.... 01:23:11.578 --> 01:23:14.745 I will defer the rest of my matter to later. 01:23:22.255 --> 01:23:26.668 That the loyal Commons, here assembled, will speedily enact this bill, I doubt not. 01:23:26.927 --> 01:23:31.339 For as much as it concerns the King's new title and his marriage to Queen Anne. 01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:35.388 Both matters pleasing to a loyal subject. 01:23:37.020 --> 01:23:38.763 Mark, my Masters... 01:23:39.105 --> 01:23:43.602 ...there is among us a brood of discreet traitors... 01:23:43.985 --> 01:23:46.311 ...to which deceit the King can brook no longer. 01:23:46.404 --> 01:23:52.443 And we, his loyal huntsmen, must now drive these subtle foxes from their covert. 01:24:21.314 --> 01:24:22.096 Father? 01:24:22.190 --> 01:24:23.269 Margaret! 01:24:24.860 --> 01:24:26.568 I couldn't get a boat. 01:24:27.112 --> 01:24:28.736 What is it, Meg? 01:24:28.822 --> 01:24:31.491 Father, there's a new act going through parliament. 01:24:33.702 --> 01:24:36.193 And by this act, they're going to administer an oath... 01:24:36.288 --> 01:24:38.079 ...about the marriage. 01:24:38.748 --> 01:24:40.492 On what compulsion is the oath? 01:24:41.751 --> 01:24:44.077 - High treason. - But what is the wording? 01:24:44.171 --> 01:24:46.543 Do the words matter? We know what it means. 01:24:46.631 --> 01:24:47.746 Tell me the words. 01:24:47.841 --> 01:24:50.546 An oath is made of words. It may be possible to take it. 01:24:50.635 --> 01:24:51.252 Take it? 01:24:51.553 --> 01:24:53.759 And if it can be taken, you must take it, too. 01:24:54.848 --> 01:24:55.512 No! 01:24:55.599 --> 01:25:00.011 Listen, Meg. God made the angels to show him splendour. 01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:05.229 As he made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. 01:25:05.358 --> 01:25:10.186 But Man he made to serve him wittily, in the tangle of his mind. 01:25:10.655 --> 01:25:13.989 If he suffers us to come to such a case that there is no escaping... 01:25:14.075 --> 01:25:16.911 ...then we may stand to our tackle as best we can. 01:25:16.995 --> 01:25:22.037 And yes, Meg, then we can clamor like champions, if we have the spittle for it. 01:25:22.375 --> 01:25:26.325 But it's God's part, not our own, to bring ourselves to such a pass. 01:25:26.421 --> 01:25:29.790 Our natural business lies in escaping. 01:25:32.010 --> 01:25:34.003 If I can take this oath, I will. 01:25:39.100 --> 01:25:40.927 I would, for my sake, you could take the oath. 01:25:41.019 --> 01:25:43.592 I never took a man into the Tower less willingly. 01:25:44.022 --> 01:25:45.849 Thank you, Master Governor. 01:25:48.860 --> 01:25:50.236 Thank you. 01:25:52.531 --> 01:25:53.693 Sir Thomas. 01:27:27.334 --> 01:27:28.532 Sir Thomas. 01:27:31.713 --> 01:27:32.958 Sir Thomas! 01:27:53.652 --> 01:27:55.644 This is iniquitous. 01:27:59.407 --> 01:28:01.780 - Where to this time? - Richmond Palace. 01:28:58.925 --> 01:29:00.254 Sit down. 01:29:07.893 --> 01:29:11.096 This is the Seventh Commission to inquire into the case... 01:29:11.188 --> 01:29:14.188 ...of Sir Thomas More, appointed by His Majesty's Council. 01:29:14.274 --> 01:29:16.231 Have you anything to say? 01:29:16.318 --> 01:29:17.397 No. 01:29:20.238 --> 01:29:22.195 - Seen this document before? - Many times. 01:29:22.282 --> 01:29:23.907 It is the Act of Succession. 01:29:23.992 --> 01:29:26.483 These are the names of those who have sworn to it. 01:29:26.578 --> 01:29:29.579 - I have, as you say, seen it before. - Will you swear to it? 01:29:29.664 --> 01:29:30.744 No. 01:29:31.583 --> 01:29:33.540 Thomas, we must know-- 01:29:37.589 --> 01:29:41.752 We must know plainly whether you recognize the offspring of Queen Anne... 01:29:41.843 --> 01:29:43.836 ...as heirs to the throne. 01:29:43.929 --> 01:29:46.550 The King in parliament tells me that they are. 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:49.178 - Of course I recognize them. - Will you swear to it? 01:29:49.267 --> 01:29:52.268 - Yes. - Then why won't he swear to the act? 01:29:52.354 --> 01:29:55.189 Because there is more than that in the act. 01:29:55.273 --> 01:29:59.816 Just so. Sir Thomas, it states in the preamble that the King's former marriage... 01:29:59.903 --> 01:30:01.896 ...to the Lady Catherine was unlawful... 01:30:01.988 --> 01:30:06.697 ...she being his brother's widow and the Pope having no authority to sanction it. 01:30:07.953 --> 01:30:09.862 Is that what you deny? 01:30:15.836 --> 01:30:17.912 Is that what you dispute? 01:30:24.427 --> 01:30:27.345 Is that what you are not sure of? 01:30:33.562 --> 01:30:38.022 You insult His Majesty and Council in the person of the Lord Archbishop! 01:30:38.108 --> 01:30:39.353 I insult no one. 01:30:39.442 --> 01:30:43.310 I will not take the oath. I will not tell you why I will not. 01:30:43.446 --> 01:30:46.981 - Then your reasons must be treasonable! - Not "must be," may be. 01:30:47.075 --> 01:30:48.783 It's a fair assumption! 01:30:48.869 --> 01:30:52.736 The law requires more than an assumption, the law requires a fact. 01:30:52.831 --> 01:30:56.034 Of course, I cannot judge your legal standing in the case... 01:30:56.126 --> 01:30:58.961 ...but until I know the ground of your objections... 01:30:59.045 --> 01:31:03.043 ...I can only guess your spiritual standing, too. 01:31:03.425 --> 01:31:07.375 If you're willing to guess that, it should be small matter to guess my objections. 01:31:07.470 --> 01:31:09.463 Then you do have objections to the act? 01:31:09.556 --> 01:31:11.383 Well, we know that, Cromwell! 01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:12.975 No, my lord, you don't. 01:31:13.059 --> 01:31:17.009 You may suppose I have objections, all you know is that I will not swear to it... 01:31:17.105 --> 01:31:20.141 ...for which you cannot lawfully harm me further. 01:31:20.400 --> 01:31:24.943 But if you were right in supposing me to have objections, and right again... 01:31:25.030 --> 01:31:27.568 ...in supposing my objections to be treasonable... 01:31:27.657 --> 01:31:30.991 ...the law would let you cut my head off. 01:31:32.496 --> 01:31:34.120 Oh, yes. 01:31:35.290 --> 01:31:36.915 Well done, Sir Thomas. 01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:40.998 I've been trying to make that clear to His Grace for some time. 01:31:41.087 --> 01:31:43.376 Oh, confound all this! I'm not a scholar. 01:31:43.465 --> 01:31:45.623 I don't know if the marriage was lawful or not... 01:31:45.717 --> 01:31:47.793 ...but damn it, Thomas, look at these names. 01:31:48.303 --> 01:31:51.754 Why can't you do as I did, and come with us, for fellowship? 01:31:53.225 --> 01:31:56.973 And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience... 01:31:57.062 --> 01:32:02.103 ...and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship? 01:32:03.401 --> 01:32:06.687 So, those of us whose names are there, are damned, Sir Thomas? 01:32:06.780 --> 01:32:09.781 I have no window to look into another man's conscience. 01:32:09.866 --> 01:32:11.147 I condemn no one. 01:32:11.243 --> 01:32:13.816 - Then the matter is capable of question? - Certainly. 01:32:13.912 --> 01:32:17.162 But that you owe obedience to the King is not capable of question. 01:32:17.249 --> 01:32:20.452 So weigh a doubt against a certainty and sign. 01:32:23.421 --> 01:32:28.463 Some men think the earth is round, others think it flat. 01:32:28.677 --> 01:32:31.215 It is a matter capable of question. 01:32:32.013 --> 01:32:36.307 But if it is flat, will the King's command make it round? 01:32:36.393 --> 01:32:39.726 And if it is round, will the King's command flatten it? 01:32:40.564 --> 01:32:43.434 No, I will not sign. 01:32:43.859 --> 01:32:47.274 Then you have more regard for your own doubt than the King's command? 01:32:47.362 --> 01:32:49.651 - For myself I have no doubt. - No doubt of what? 01:32:49.739 --> 01:32:52.028 No doubt that I will not take this oath. 01:32:52.117 --> 01:32:56.411 But why I will not, you, Master Secretary, will not trick out of me. 01:32:56.830 --> 01:32:59.700 I might get it out of you in other ways. 01:33:00.959 --> 01:33:03.532 You threaten like a dockside bully. 01:33:03.712 --> 01:33:04.957 How should I threaten? 01:33:05.046 --> 01:33:08.878 Like a minister of state, with justice! 01:33:09.593 --> 01:33:12.214 Justice is what you're threatened with. 01:33:12.345 --> 01:33:14.219 Then I am not threatened. 01:33:20.604 --> 01:33:22.892 Gentlemen, can't I go to bed? 01:33:23.106 --> 01:33:25.562 Aye. The prisoner may retire as he requests. 01:33:25.650 --> 01:33:28.817 - Unless you-- - I see no purpose in prolonging this. 01:33:32.824 --> 01:33:35.944 Then, goodnight, Thomas. 01:33:41.124 --> 01:33:43.615 May I have one or two more books? 01:33:44.503 --> 01:33:45.997 Why, you have books? 01:33:46.463 --> 01:33:47.328 Yes. 01:33:47.422 --> 01:33:49.960 I didn't know, you shouldn't have. 01:33:58.225 --> 01:34:00.051 May I see my family? 01:34:00.143 --> 01:34:01.222 No. 01:34:07.692 --> 01:34:08.724 Captain! 01:34:09.027 --> 01:34:10.735 Master Secretary? 01:34:11.571 --> 01:34:15.189 Have you ever heard the prisoner speak of the King's divorce, supremacy... 01:34:15.283 --> 01:34:17.572 - ...or the King's marriage? - No, not a word. 01:34:17.661 --> 01:34:20.365 If he does, you will repeat it to me. 01:34:21.373 --> 01:34:22.748 Of course. 01:34:27.879 --> 01:34:28.745 Rich. 01:34:28.880 --> 01:34:29.746 Secretary? 01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.544 Tomorrow morning, remove the prisoner's books. 01:34:32.717 --> 01:34:34.425 Is that necessary? 01:34:34.511 --> 01:34:37.547 With regards to this case, the King is becoming impatient. 01:34:37.639 --> 01:34:39.513 - Aye, with you. - With all of us. 01:34:39.599 --> 01:34:42.885 The King's impatience will embrace a duke or two. 01:34:52.696 --> 01:34:54.154 Master Secretary. 01:34:56.116 --> 01:34:58.274 Sir Redvers Llewellyn has retired. 01:34:59.286 --> 01:35:01.325 The Attorney General for Wales. 01:35:01.580 --> 01:35:03.371 His post is vacant. 01:35:04.499 --> 01:35:06.706 You said that I might approach you. 01:35:07.878 --> 01:35:09.835 Not now, Rich. 01:35:12.924 --> 01:35:15.131 He must submit. He must! 01:35:16.303 --> 01:35:17.334 Rack him. 01:35:21.349 --> 01:35:25.050 No. The King's conscience will not permit it. 01:35:25.437 --> 01:35:27.809 We have to find some other way. 01:35:37.115 --> 01:35:38.526 Sir Thomas! 01:35:40.952 --> 01:35:41.782 Father! 01:35:41.870 --> 01:35:43.245 What? Margaret? 01:35:44.122 --> 01:35:45.616 Father! 01:35:46.333 --> 01:35:49.499 Meg. For God's sake, they haven't put you in here? 01:35:49.586 --> 01:35:51.994 - No, sir, a visit. - A brief one, Sir Thomas. 01:35:52.088 --> 01:35:53.499 Father. 01:35:54.549 --> 01:35:56.874 - Good morning, husband. - Good morning. 01:36:00.472 --> 01:36:02.263 Good morning, Will. 01:36:07.646 --> 01:36:09.971 Well, this is a hellish place! 01:36:10.232 --> 01:36:13.268 Except it's keeping me from you, my dears, it isn't so bad. 01:36:13.360 --> 01:36:15.103 It's remarkably like any other place. 01:36:15.195 --> 01:36:18.112 - It drips! - Yes. It's too near the river. 01:36:30.001 --> 01:36:31.116 Well, what is it? 01:36:33.588 --> 01:36:37.123 Father, come out! Swear to the act and come out! 01:36:39.344 --> 01:36:41.502 Is this why they've let you come? 01:36:41.638 --> 01:36:42.669 Yes. 01:36:45.392 --> 01:36:47.634 Meg's under oath to persuade you. 01:36:49.312 --> 01:36:51.139 That was silly, Meg. 01:36:59.489 --> 01:37:01.648 How do you plan to do that? 01:37:03.702 --> 01:37:04.900 Father. 01:37:05.537 --> 01:37:09.072 "God more regards the thoughts of the heart than the words of the mouth." 01:37:09.166 --> 01:37:11.538 - Well, so you've always told me. - Yes. 01:37:11.626 --> 01:37:14.793 Then say the words of the oath and in your heart think otherwise. 01:37:14.880 --> 01:37:18.130 What is an oath then, but words we say to God? 01:37:24.806 --> 01:37:26.087 Listen, Meg. 01:37:26.892 --> 01:37:30.972 When a man takes an oath, he's holding his own self in his own hands... 01:37:31.271 --> 01:37:32.551 ...like water. 01:37:32.772 --> 01:37:37.814 And if he opens his fingers then, he needn't hope to find himself again. 01:37:39.029 --> 01:37:43.940 Some men aren't capable of this, but I'd be loathed to think your father one of them. 01:37:47.078 --> 01:37:49.451 - I have another argument. - Oh, Meg. 01:37:49.748 --> 01:37:54.908 In any state that was half good, you would be raised up high, not here... 01:37:55.086 --> 01:37:58.087 - ...for what you've done already. - All right. 01:37:58.423 --> 01:38:01.044 It's not your fault the state's three-quarters bad. 01:38:01.134 --> 01:38:01.881 No. 01:38:01.968 --> 01:38:04.590 If you elect to suffer for it, you elect to be a hero. 01:38:04.679 --> 01:38:06.222 That's very neat. 01:38:06.723 --> 01:38:11.052 But look now. If we lived in a state where virtue was profitable... 01:38:11.394 --> 01:38:13.683 ...common sense would make us saintly. 01:38:13.772 --> 01:38:18.185 But since we see that avarice, anger, pride and stupidity... 01:38:18.443 --> 01:38:23.438 ...commonly profit far beyond charity, modesty, justice and thought... 01:38:23.615 --> 01:38:26.188 ...perhaps we must stand fast a little... 01:38:26.368 --> 01:38:28.859 ...even at the risk of being heroes. 01:38:33.542 --> 01:38:34.952 But in reason! 01:38:35.043 --> 01:38:38.494 Haven't you done as much as God can reasonably want? 01:38:43.260 --> 01:38:47.174 Well, finally it isn't a matter of reason. 01:38:47.305 --> 01:38:49.677 Finally, it's a matter of love. 01:38:52.936 --> 01:38:56.056 You're content then to be shut up here with mice and rats... 01:38:56.147 --> 01:38:58.436 - ...when you might be home with us? - Content? 01:38:58.525 --> 01:39:03.732 If they'd open a crack that wide, I'd be through it like a bird and back to Chelsea. 01:39:08.368 --> 01:39:11.073 I haven't told you what the house is like without you. 01:39:11.163 --> 01:39:12.325 Don't, Meg. 01:39:12.414 --> 01:39:15.664 - What we do in the evening without you. - Meg, have done. 01:39:15.750 --> 01:39:17.992 We don't read because we've no candles. 01:39:18.211 --> 01:39:21.082 We don't talk because we wonder what they're doing to you. 01:39:21.173 --> 01:39:23.877 The King is more merciful. He doesn't use the rack. 01:39:23.967 --> 01:39:25.710 Two minutes to go, sir. 01:39:25.802 --> 01:39:28.471 - I thought you'd like to know. - Two minutes! 01:39:29.097 --> 01:39:31.635 - Jailer! - Sorry, sir. Two minutes. 01:39:33.435 --> 01:39:37.349 Listen, you must leave the country. All of you must leave the country. 01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:39.431 - And leave you? - It makes no difference. 01:39:39.524 --> 01:39:41.316 They won't let me see you again. 01:39:41.401 --> 01:39:44.319 You must all go on the same day, but not on the same boat. 01:39:44.404 --> 01:39:47.738 - Different boats from different ports. - After the trial, then. 01:39:47.824 --> 01:39:50.398 There'll be no trial, they have no case. 01:39:51.995 --> 01:39:53.988 Do this for me, I beseech you. 01:39:54.122 --> 01:39:55.949 - Will? - Yes, sir. 01:39:56.041 --> 01:39:57.868 - Margaret? - Yes. 01:39:58.543 --> 01:39:59.574 Alice? 01:40:05.550 --> 01:40:08.302 - Alice, I command you! - Right. 01:40:15.685 --> 01:40:17.678 This is splendid. 01:40:18.396 --> 01:40:21.267 - I know who packed this. - I packed it. 01:40:21.358 --> 01:40:22.389 Yes. 01:40:25.153 --> 01:40:27.727 You still make a superlative custard, Alice. 01:40:27.823 --> 01:40:28.902 Do I? 01:40:31.451 --> 01:40:33.776 That's a nice dress you have on. 01:40:35.121 --> 01:40:36.865 Nice color anyway. 01:40:37.165 --> 01:40:39.288 My God, you think little of me! 01:40:39.876 --> 01:40:40.825 I know I'm a fool... 01:40:40.919 --> 01:40:44.169 ...but I'm not such a fool as to be lamenting for my dresses... 01:40:44.256 --> 01:40:46.711 ...or to relish complimenting on my custards. 01:40:46.883 --> 01:40:48.591 I'm well rebuked. 01:40:49.970 --> 01:40:51.594 - Alice-- - No! 01:40:54.766 --> 01:40:59.558 I'm sick with fear when I think of the worst they may do to me. 01:40:59.729 --> 01:41:04.854 But worse than that will be to go with you not understanding why I go. 01:41:04.943 --> 01:41:05.974 I don't. 01:41:06.069 --> 01:41:11.229 If you can tell me that you understand, I might make a good death, if I have to. 01:41:11.324 --> 01:41:15.536 - Your death's no good to me. - You must tell me that you understand. 01:41:15.620 --> 01:41:16.783 I don't! 01:41:17.164 --> 01:41:18.955 I don't believe this had to happen! 01:41:19.040 --> 01:41:21.282 If you say that I don't see how I'm to face it. 01:41:21.376 --> 01:41:22.704 It's the truth! 01:41:23.128 --> 01:41:26.295 - You're an honest woman. - Much good may it do me. 01:41:27.090 --> 01:41:29.296 I'll tell you what I'm afraid of... 01:41:29.384 --> 01:41:32.302 ...that when you've gone, I shall hate you for it. 01:41:36.725 --> 01:41:38.433 You mustn't, Alice. 01:41:41.938 --> 01:41:43.219 You mustn't. 01:41:47.944 --> 01:41:52.274 As for understanding, I understand you're the best man I ever met or ever likely to. 01:41:52.741 --> 01:41:57.699 And if you go, God knows why I suppose, though as God's my witness... 01:41:57.787 --> 01:42:00.029 ...God's kept deadly quiet about it. 01:42:00.749 --> 01:42:04.793 And if any one wants to know my opinion of the King and his Council... 01:42:04.920 --> 01:42:07.589 ...he only has to ask for it! 01:42:11.176 --> 01:42:14.509 Why, it's a lion I married. 01:42:14.763 --> 01:42:16.554 A lion. A lion. 01:42:22.479 --> 01:42:24.721 This is good. 01:42:27.442 --> 01:42:28.817 It's very good. 01:42:29.611 --> 01:42:31.319 Sorry, Sir Thomas! 01:42:31.780 --> 01:42:33.938 - Oh, for pity's sake! - Time's up, sir. 01:42:34.032 --> 01:42:36.867 - But one more minute! - You don't know what you're asking. 01:42:36.952 --> 01:42:38.825 - Come along, Miss. - For heaven's sake. 01:42:38.912 --> 01:42:40.655 Now, don't do that, sir. 01:42:43.583 --> 01:42:45.909 Now, madam, don't make trouble. 01:42:48.839 --> 01:42:51.164 Come along, please, Lady Alice. 01:42:55.053 --> 01:42:57.378 Take your muddy paws off me! 01:42:57.931 --> 01:43:01.015 Filthy, stinking, gutter-fed, turnkey! 01:43:01.768 --> 01:43:04.057 I'll see you suffer for this! 01:43:05.313 --> 01:43:06.558 Goodbye. 01:43:21.705 --> 01:43:24.077 You must understand my position, sir. 01:43:24.416 --> 01:43:28.034 I'm a plain, simple man and I just want to keep out of trouble. 01:43:37.929 --> 01:43:42.556 Dear Lord Jesus, my soul Saviour, clear my wits. 01:43:43.894 --> 01:43:48.187 Dear Lady, Blessed Mother of God, comfort my wife and daughter... 01:43:49.149 --> 01:43:51.188 ...and forgive me for them. 01:44:55.674 --> 01:45:00.134 Sir Thomas More, though you have heinously offended the King's majesty... 01:45:00.220 --> 01:45:05.380 ...we hope that if you'll even now forethink and repent of obstinate opinion... 01:45:05.809 --> 01:45:08.596 ...you may still taste his gracious pardon. 01:45:09.980 --> 01:45:11.853 My lords, I thank you. 01:45:12.607 --> 01:45:15.098 As for the matters you may charge me with... 01:45:15.193 --> 01:45:18.977 ...I fear from my present weakness, that neither my wit... 01:45:19.072 --> 01:45:21.314 ...nor my memory will serve... 01:45:21.950 --> 01:45:23.943 ...to make sufficient answer. 01:45:25.245 --> 01:45:27.534 I should be glad to sit down. 01:45:27.706 --> 01:45:29.449 A chair for the prisoner. 01:45:43.930 --> 01:45:46.172 Master Secretary Cromwell, have you the charge? 01:45:46.266 --> 01:45:48.674 - I have, my lord. - Then read the charge. 01:45:52.397 --> 01:45:55.683 "That you did willfully and maliciously deny and deprive... 01:45:55.775 --> 01:45:59.607 "...our liege, Lord Henry, of his undoubted certain title... 01:45:59.863 --> 01:46:02.780 "...Supreme Head of the Church in England." 01:46:04.284 --> 01:46:07.570 But, I have never denied this title. 01:46:09.956 --> 01:46:13.788 At Westminster Hall, at Lambeth, and again at Richmond... 01:46:13.919 --> 01:46:16.410 ...you stubbornly refused the oath. 01:46:16.588 --> 01:46:17.916 Was this no denial? 01:46:18.006 --> 01:46:20.082 No, this was silence. 01:46:20.425 --> 01:46:23.759 And for my silence, I am punished with imprisonment. 01:46:25.055 --> 01:46:29.266 - Why have I been called again? - On a charge of high treason, Sir Thomas. 01:46:30.060 --> 01:46:33.096 For which the punishment is not imprisonment. 01:46:33.522 --> 01:46:34.601 Death... 01:46:35.148 --> 01:46:37.520 ...comes for us all, my lords. 01:46:37.818 --> 01:46:40.024 Yes, even for kings he comes. 01:46:40.111 --> 01:46:43.196 The death of kings is not in question, Sir Thomas. 01:46:43.448 --> 01:46:46.485 Nor mine, I trust, until I'm proven guilty. 01:46:46.618 --> 01:46:50.034 Your life lies in your own hands, Thomas, as it always has! 01:46:50.121 --> 01:46:51.948 Is that so, my lord? 01:46:52.582 --> 01:46:54.326 Then I'll keep a good grip on it. 01:47:01.299 --> 01:47:02.877 So, Sir Thomas... 01:47:03.468 --> 01:47:05.508 ...you stand on your silence? 01:47:06.179 --> 01:47:07.342 I do. 01:47:08.098 --> 01:47:10.174 But, gentlemen of the jury... 01:47:10.976 --> 01:47:13.763 ...there are many kinds of silence. 01:47:14.229 --> 01:47:17.349 Consider first the silence of a man when he is dead. 01:47:17.691 --> 01:47:20.857 Suppose we go into the room where he is laid out and we listen. 01:47:20.944 --> 01:47:22.107 What do we hear? 01:47:23.613 --> 01:47:24.894 Silence. 01:47:25.365 --> 01:47:28.485 What does it betoken, this silence? 01:47:29.077 --> 01:47:31.746 Nothing. This is silence pure and simple. 01:47:32.080 --> 01:47:33.871 But let us take another case. 01:47:33.957 --> 01:47:36.828 Suppose I were to take a dagger from my sleeve... 01:47:36.918 --> 01:47:38.911 ...and make to kill the prisoner with it. 01:47:39.004 --> 01:47:43.333 And my lordships there, instead of crying out for me to stop, maintain their silence. 01:47:43.425 --> 01:47:45.334 That would betoken! 01:47:45.635 --> 01:47:48.969 It would betoken a willingness that I should do it. 01:47:49.181 --> 01:47:52.098 And under the law, they would be guilty with me. 01:47:53.059 --> 01:47:56.760 So silence can, according to the circumstances... 01:47:57.689 --> 01:47:58.804 ...speak. 01:47:59.482 --> 01:48:03.860 Let us consider now the circumstances of the prisoner's silence. 01:48:04.488 --> 01:48:08.271 The oath was put to loyal subjects all over the country who all declared... 01:48:08.366 --> 01:48:10.525 ...His Grace's title to be just and good! 01:48:10.619 --> 01:48:13.703 But when it came to the prisoner, he refused! 01:48:15.624 --> 01:48:17.949 He calls this "silence." 01:48:19.127 --> 01:48:21.879 Yet, is there a man in this court.... 01:48:22.672 --> 01:48:25.626 Is there a man in this country... 01:48:25.926 --> 01:48:30.173 ...who does not know Sir Thomas More's opinion of this title? 01:48:32.849 --> 01:48:34.676 Yet, how can this be? 01:48:35.060 --> 01:48:38.014 Because this silence betokened... 01:48:38.522 --> 01:48:43.433 ...nay, this silence was not silence at all, but most eloquent denial! 01:48:45.987 --> 01:48:47.232 Not so. 01:48:49.157 --> 01:48:50.901 Not so, Master Secretary. 01:48:53.703 --> 01:48:57.037 The maxim of the law is, "Silence gives consent." 01:48:57.123 --> 01:49:00.243 If, therefore, you wish to construe what my silence betokened... 01:49:00.335 --> 01:49:04.547 ...you must construe that I consented, not that I denied. 01:49:05.841 --> 01:49:08.676 Is that in fact what the world construes from it? 01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:12.046 Do you pretend that is what you wish the world to construe from it? 01:49:12.138 --> 01:49:15.424 The world must construe according to its wits. 01:49:15.600 --> 01:49:18.850 This court must construe according to the law. 01:49:28.405 --> 01:49:31.359 My lords, I wish to call Sir Richard Rich! 01:49:33.034 --> 01:49:35.786 Richard Rich, come into court. 01:49:36.079 --> 01:49:37.739 Richard Rich! 01:49:59.060 --> 01:50:02.761 "I do swear the evidence I'll give before the court shall be the truth... 01:50:02.856 --> 01:50:05.228 "...the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." 01:50:05.317 --> 01:50:07.025 "So help me God," sir. 01:50:07.444 --> 01:50:08.855 "So help me God." 01:50:11.656 --> 01:50:15.405 Now Rich, on May 12, you were at the Tower? 01:50:15.702 --> 01:50:17.410 - I was. - For what purpose? 01:50:17.496 --> 01:50:19.784 I was sent to carry away the prisoner's books. 01:50:19.873 --> 01:50:22.115 - Did you talk with the prisoner? - Yes. 01:50:22.209 --> 01:50:24.960 Did you talk of the King's supremacy of the Church? 01:50:25.045 --> 01:50:26.076 Yes. 01:50:26.379 --> 01:50:28.004 What did you say? 01:50:28.673 --> 01:50:31.758 I said to him, "Supposing there were an act of parliament... 01:50:31.843 --> 01:50:34.513 "...to say that I, Richard Rich, were to be king. 01:50:34.596 --> 01:50:37.513 "Would not you, Master More, take me for king?" 01:50:37.724 --> 01:50:39.183 "That I would," he said. 01:50:42.938 --> 01:50:45.226 "For then you would be king." 01:50:47.651 --> 01:50:48.682 Yes? 01:50:49.986 --> 01:50:53.486 Then he said, "But I will put you a higher case. 01:50:54.199 --> 01:50:59.193 "How, if there were an act of parliament, to say that God should not be God?" 01:50:59.579 --> 01:51:02.284 - This is true and then you said-- - Silence! 01:51:02.916 --> 01:51:04.114 Continue. 01:51:06.795 --> 01:51:10.662 But then I said, "I will put you a middle case. 01:51:11.174 --> 01:51:13.844 "Parliament has made our King Head of the Church. 01:51:13.927 --> 01:51:15.920 "Why will you not accept him?" 01:51:19.349 --> 01:51:20.428 Well? 01:51:23.854 --> 01:51:27.638 And then he said, "Parliament had not the power to do it." 01:51:29.401 --> 01:51:31.643 Repeat the prisoner's words. 01:51:33.446 --> 01:51:34.526 He said: 01:51:35.949 --> 01:51:38.440 "Parliament had not the competence." 01:51:41.037 --> 01:51:42.911 Or words to that effect. 01:51:43.206 --> 01:51:45.365 He denied the title! 01:51:45.709 --> 01:51:47.037 He did. 01:51:55.260 --> 01:52:00.171 In good faith, Rich, I am sorrier for your perjury than my peril. 01:52:00.307 --> 01:52:02.928 - Do you deny this? - Yes! 01:52:03.518 --> 01:52:06.768 You know if I were a man who heeded not the taking of an oath... 01:52:06.855 --> 01:52:08.314 ...I need not be here. 01:52:08.899 --> 01:52:11.390 Now, I will take an oath. 01:52:13.236 --> 01:52:16.107 If what Master Rich has said is true... 01:52:16.531 --> 01:52:20.481 ...I pray I may never see God in the face. 01:52:21.536 --> 01:52:25.237 Which I would not say, were it otherwise, for anything on earth! 01:52:25.373 --> 01:52:28.078 - That is not evidence. - Is it probable.... 01:52:28.877 --> 01:52:33.455 Is it probable that after so long a silence on this... 01:52:33.548 --> 01:52:36.122 ...the very point so urgently sought of me... 01:52:36.218 --> 01:52:40.002 ...I should open my mind to such a man as that? 01:52:41.598 --> 01:52:44.967 Sir Richard, do you wish to modify your testimony? 01:52:46.102 --> 01:52:47.217 No, my lord. 01:52:47.312 --> 01:52:49.933 Is there anything you wish to take away from it? 01:52:50.023 --> 01:52:51.138 No, my lord. 01:52:51.233 --> 01:52:53.106 Have you anything to add? 01:52:53.401 --> 01:52:54.682 No, my lord. 01:52:55.987 --> 01:52:59.237 - Have you, Sir Thomas? - To what purpose? 01:53:03.203 --> 01:53:04.863 I am a dead man. 01:53:08.583 --> 01:53:10.492 You have your will of me. 01:53:11.628 --> 01:53:13.953 Then the witness may withdraw. 01:53:21.304 --> 01:53:24.508 There is one question I would like to ask the witness. 01:53:27.060 --> 01:53:30.263 That's a chain of office you're wearing. May I see it? 01:53:38.321 --> 01:53:39.697 The Red Dragon. 01:53:40.031 --> 01:53:41.229 What's this? 01:53:41.324 --> 01:53:44.444 Sir Richard is appointed Attorney General for Wales. 01:53:44.661 --> 01:53:45.989 For Wales. 01:53:47.539 --> 01:53:52.699 Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. 01:53:54.588 --> 01:53:56.082 But for Wales. 01:54:04.472 --> 01:54:05.967 My lords! I've done. 01:54:07.058 --> 01:54:09.680 The jury will retire and consider the evidence. 01:54:11.771 --> 01:54:16.350 Considering the evidence, it shouldn't be necessary for them to retire. 01:54:18.862 --> 01:54:20.522 Is it necessary? 01:54:27.329 --> 01:54:30.080 Then is the prisoner guilty or not guilty? 01:54:35.253 --> 01:54:36.913 Guilty, my lord! 01:54:47.432 --> 01:54:51.216 Sir Thomas More, you have been found guilty of high treason. 01:54:51.353 --> 01:54:53.808 - The sentence of the court-- - My lords! 01:54:54.606 --> 01:54:58.556 When I was practicing the law, the manner was to ask the prisoner... 01:54:58.693 --> 01:55:02.608 ...before pronouncing sentence, if he had anything to say. 01:55:02.989 --> 01:55:04.781 Have you anything to say? 01:55:05.450 --> 01:55:06.481 Yes. 01:55:17.629 --> 01:55:20.713 Since the court has determined to condemn me... 01:55:21.842 --> 01:55:23.585 ...God knoweth how... 01:55:24.678 --> 01:55:27.963 ...I will now discharge my mind... 01:55:28.557 --> 01:55:32.886 ...concerning the indictment and the King's title. 01:55:36.439 --> 01:55:40.936 The indictment is grounded in an act of parliament... 01:55:41.319 --> 01:55:44.154 ...which is directly repugnant... 01:55:44.239 --> 01:55:47.904 ...to the law of God and His Holy Church. 01:55:48.076 --> 01:55:52.323 The supreme government of which no temperable person... 01:55:52.414 --> 01:55:56.577 ...may by any law presume to take upon him. 01:55:57.460 --> 01:55:59.168 This was granted... 01:55:59.921 --> 01:56:01.415 ...by the mouth... 01:56:02.174 --> 01:56:04.711 ...of our Saviour, Christ Himself... 01:56:05.594 --> 01:56:10.137 ...to St. Peter and the bishops of Rome whilst He lived... 01:56:10.849 --> 01:56:14.134 ...and was personally present... 01:56:16.563 --> 01:56:18.187 ...here on earth. 01:56:20.442 --> 01:56:24.274 It is therefore insufficient in law... 01:56:24.905 --> 01:56:27.859 ...to charge any Christian to obey it. 01:56:29.326 --> 01:56:30.820 And more than this... 01:56:30.911 --> 01:56:35.738 ...the immunity of the Church is promised both in Magna Carta... 01:56:35.874 --> 01:56:39.457 ...and in the King's own coronation oath. 01:56:41.296 --> 01:56:43.917 Now, we plainly see you are malicious! 01:56:44.424 --> 01:56:45.669 Not so. 01:56:48.094 --> 01:56:50.170 I am the King's true subject... 01:56:51.056 --> 01:56:54.674 ...and I pray for him and all the realm. 01:56:56.478 --> 01:56:58.055 I do none harm. 01:56:59.231 --> 01:57:01.104 I say none harm. 01:57:02.108 --> 01:57:04.397 I think none harm. 01:57:06.488 --> 01:57:09.524 And if this be not enough to keep a man alive... 01:57:09.950 --> 01:57:13.532 ...then in good faith, I long not to live. 01:57:15.622 --> 01:57:16.902 Nevertheless... 01:57:17.874 --> 01:57:22.453 ...it is not for the supremacy that you have sought my blood... 01:57:22.546 --> 01:57:26.757 ...but because I would not bend to the marriage! 01:57:35.183 --> 01:57:38.303 You have been found guilty of high treason. 01:57:39.145 --> 01:57:42.182 The sentence of the court is that you be taken... 01:57:42.315 --> 01:57:44.225 ...to the Tower of London... 01:57:46.361 --> 01:57:49.695 ...until the day hence to the appointment... 01:57:50.699 --> 01:57:52.775 ...for your execution! 01:58:08.383 --> 01:58:11.633 I am commanded by the King to be brief... 01:58:12.387 --> 01:58:15.305 ...and since I am the King's obedient subject... 01:58:15.849 --> 01:58:17.391 ...brief I will be. 01:58:18.894 --> 01:58:22.144 I die His Majesty's good servant... 01:58:23.148 --> 01:58:24.725 ...but God's first. 01:58:31.573 --> 01:58:33.862 I forgive you, right readily. 01:58:39.915 --> 01:58:42.203 Be not afraid of your office. 01:58:42.626 --> 01:58:44.334 You send me to God. 01:58:46.796 --> 01:58:48.754 You're very sure of that, Sir Thomas? 01:58:48.840 --> 01:58:52.174 He will not refuse one who is so blithe to go to him. 01:59:14.950 --> 01:59:18.401 Thomas More's head was stuck on Traitor's Gate for a month. 01:59:18.495 --> 01:59:22.362 Then his daughter, Margaret, removed it and kept it 'til her death. 01:59:23.166 --> 01:59:27.081 Cromwell was beheaded for high treason five years after More. 01:59:27.587 --> 01:59:30.257 The Archbishop was burned at the stake. 01:59:30.882 --> 01:59:34.049 The Duke of Norfolk should have been executed for high treason... 01:59:34.135 --> 01:59:37.136 ...but the King died of syphilis the night before. 01:59:38.098 --> 01:59:41.015 Richard Rich became Chancellor of England... 01:59:41.643 --> 01:59:43.470 ...and died in his bed. 01:59:44.305 --> 01:59:50.561 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org