WEBVTT 00:06.000 --> 00:12.074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 05:16.417 --> 05:19.420 Every second bastard born is fathered by a priest. 05:25.176 --> 05:27.119 But in Utopia that couldn't be. 05:27.219 --> 05:28.245 For why? 05:28.345 --> 05:30.505 For there the priests are very holy. 05:30.506 --> 05:31.724 Therefore very few. 05:34.184 --> 05:36.436 Is it anything interesting, Matthew? 05:37.103 --> 05:40.607 - Bless you, sir. I don't know. - Bless you too, Matthew. 05:45.862 --> 05:48.348 To be sure, we have some holy priests in England. 05:48.448 --> 05:50.784 - Oh, name some. - Brother James. 05:51.367 --> 05:53.203 Man's a simpleton. 05:54.621 --> 05:56.414 It's from Cardinal Wolsey. 05:58.041 --> 05:59.334 What's he want? 05:59.918 --> 06:01.044 - Me. - When? 06:01.169 --> 06:02.169 Now. 06:02.212 --> 06:05.089 In Hampton Court? You won't be there by midnight. 06:05.840 --> 06:08.467 - The King's business. - Queen's business. 06:08.801 --> 06:11.094 Mistress Anne Boleyn's business. 06:11.220 --> 06:14.389 Well, it's all the Cardinal's business. 06:14.515 --> 06:16.537 That's very true. And when the Cardinal 06:16.538 --> 06:18.711 calls, you all come running, day or night. 06:18.811 --> 06:21.814 What is the man? A butcher's son. 06:22.106 --> 06:23.674 Chancellor of England, too. 06:23.774 --> 06:26.276 No, that's his office. What's the man? 06:27.152 --> 06:30.264 Surely, Your Grace, when a man rises so high and so swiftly... 06:30.364 --> 06:33.242 we must think he was misplaced in his origins. 06:34.743 --> 06:37.287 That, at least, was the opinion of Aristotle and... 06:38.497 --> 06:40.457 A butcher's son and looks it. 06:40.833 --> 06:43.167 His looks, yes, I give you his looks. 06:45.294 --> 06:47.380 What was that you said, Richard? 06:48.548 --> 06:50.550 Nothing, Sir Thomas, it was out of place. 06:52.009 --> 06:54.011 And Wolsey's still a butcher. 06:54.512 --> 06:57.999 And you're a member of the King's High Council, not an errand boy. 06:58.099 --> 06:59.767 That is why I must go. 07:00.226 --> 07:02.895 The Duke would go if the Cardinal called him. 07:03.646 --> 07:04.856 I might. 07:06.941 --> 07:08.776 I'll be back for breakfast. 07:09.694 --> 07:10.820 Go to bed. 07:12.405 --> 07:14.293 "Dear Lord, give us rest tonight, 07:14.294 --> 07:16.409 or if we must be wakeful, cheerful. 07:16.534 --> 07:18.427 "Careful only for our soul's 07:18.428 --> 07:20.996 salvation. For Christ's sake. Amen." 07:22.372 --> 07:24.291 And bless our lord, the King. 07:25.292 --> 07:27.944 - "And bless our lord, the King." - Amen. 07:28.044 --> 07:30.797 Excuse me, gentlemen. Goodnight, Your Grace. 07:35.677 --> 07:38.722 Keep clear of Wolsey, Thomas. He's a frightened man. 07:40.974 --> 07:43.727 - Who is that? - A young friend from Cambridge. 07:43.806 --> 07:44.806 What's he want? 07:44.807 --> 07:46.938 What do they all want? A position. 07:47.147 --> 07:50.150 - Can you give him a position? - Do you recommend him? 07:50.776 --> 07:51.817 No. 08:09.418 --> 08:11.420 - Sir Thomas. - No. 08:12.046 --> 08:14.215 - Did you recommend me? - No. 08:16.342 --> 08:18.761 Richard, I may have a position for you. 08:18.886 --> 08:23.015 - What? What position? - Not now, Richard. Tomorrow. 09:04.888 --> 09:06.473 For you all, boatman. 09:07.182 --> 09:08.517 Thank you, sir. 09:29.830 --> 09:32.791 Sir Thomas is here, Your Grace. Sir Thomas. 09:33.292 --> 09:34.667 Master Cromwell. 09:49.223 --> 09:52.727 You opposed me in the Council this morning, Thomas. 09:53.561 --> 09:54.937 Yes, Your Grace. 09:55.855 --> 09:59.025 - You were the only one. - Yes, Your Grace. 10:00.443 --> 10:01.694 You're a fool. 10:03.112 --> 10:05.907 Thank God there is only one fool on the Council. 10:09.701 --> 10:11.620 Why did you oppose me? 10:12.579 --> 10:14.623 I thought Your Grace was wrong. 10:16.249 --> 10:17.959 A matter of conscience. 10:20.128 --> 10:22.506 You're a constant regret to me, Thomas. 10:23.298 --> 10:25.784 If you could just see facts flat on... 10:25.884 --> 10:29.054 without that horrible moral squint. 10:30.263 --> 10:33.809 With a little common sense, you could have made a statesman. 10:40.315 --> 10:41.399 The King. 11:08.467 --> 11:11.637 Where's he been? Do you know? 11:12.680 --> 11:13.931 I, Your Grace? 11:14.849 --> 11:16.933 Spare me your discretion. 11:18.351 --> 11:22.355 He's been to play in the muck again. 11:24.607 --> 11:26.776 He's been to Mistress Anne Boleyn. 11:32.449 --> 11:36.244 More, are you going to help me? 11:38.913 --> 11:41.541 If Your Grace will be specific. 11:42.584 --> 11:45.920 You're a plodder. All right, we'll plod. 11:46.588 --> 11:49.758 The King wants a son. What are you going to do about it? 11:50.008 --> 11:52.229 I'm very sure the King needs no advice 11:52.230 --> 11:54.052 from me on what to do about it. 11:54.887 --> 11:58.332 Thomas, we're alone. I give you my word, there's no one here. 11:58.432 --> 12:00.851 I didn't suppose there was, Your Grace. 12:04.438 --> 12:06.310 Do you favour a change of dynasty? Do 12:06.311 --> 12:08.133 you think two Tudors are sufficient? 12:08.233 --> 12:09.426 For God's sake, Your Grace. 12:09.526 --> 12:13.030 Then he needs a son. I repeat, what are you going to do about it? 12:13.155 --> 12:14.390 I pray for it daily. 12:14.490 --> 12:16.784 God's death, he means it. 12:17.576 --> 12:20.829 That thing out there, at least she's fertile. 12:21.663 --> 12:24.274 - But she's not his wife. - No, Catherine's his wife... 12:24.374 --> 12:27.735 and she's barren as a brick. Are you going to pray for a miracle? 12:27.835 --> 12:29.420 There are precedents. 12:33.424 --> 12:37.011 All right. Good. Pray by all means. 12:38.304 --> 12:41.271 But in addition to prayer there is effort. 12:41.272 --> 12:43.893 And my effort is to secure a divorce. 12:47.522 --> 12:49.816 Have I your support, or have I not? 12:53.361 --> 12:57.240 The Pope gave a dispensation, so that the King might marry... 12:57.365 --> 12:59.950 his brother's widow for state reasons. 13:00.659 --> 13:03.276 We are to ask the Pope to dispense with 13:03.277 --> 13:06.023 his dispensation, also for state reasons? 13:06.123 --> 13:08.275 I don't like plodding, Thomas. Well? 13:08.375 --> 13:10.559 Then, clearly all we have to do is to 13:10.560 --> 13:12.571 approach His Holiness and ask him. 13:12.671 --> 13:15.841 I think we might influence the decision of His Holiness. 13:16.591 --> 13:17.659 By argument? 13:17.759 --> 13:21.638 Argument certainly. And pressure. 13:22.931 --> 13:25.212 Pressure, applied to the Church? The 13:25.213 --> 13:27.185 Church has its church property. 13:29.271 --> 13:30.439 Pressure. 13:37.111 --> 13:40.614 No, Your Grace, I'm not going to help you. 13:43.492 --> 13:46.745 Then goodnight, Master More. 13:50.082 --> 13:52.543 Let the dynasty die with Henry VIII 13:52.544 --> 13:55.004 and we'll have dynastic wars again. 13:55.337 --> 13:58.549 Blood-witted barons ramping the country from end to end. 13:59.383 --> 14:02.970 Is that what you want? Very well. 14:04.054 --> 14:06.015 England needs an heir. 14:07.433 --> 14:11.770 Certain measures, perhaps regrettable... 14:12.479 --> 14:14.627 perhaps not, there's much in the Church 14:14.628 --> 14:16.399 which needs reformation, Thomas. 14:18.610 --> 14:22.697 All right, regrettable. But necessary to get us an heir. 14:24.949 --> 14:26.968 Now, explain how you, as a councillor of 14:26.969 --> 14:28.937 England, can obstruct these measures... 14:29.037 --> 14:31.915 for the sake of your own private conscience. 14:34.042 --> 14:36.051 I think that when statesmen forsake 14:36.052 --> 14:37.837 their own private conscience... 14:37.962 --> 14:40.507 for the sake of their public duties... 14:40.632 --> 14:44.301 they lead their country by a short route to chaos. 14:48.305 --> 14:50.974 And we shall have my prayers to fall back on. 14:51.683 --> 14:55.896 You'd like that, wouldn't you? To govern the country with prayers? 14:56.438 --> 14:57.689 Yes, I should. 14:58.524 --> 15:00.692 I'd like to be there when you try. 15:03.028 --> 15:04.947 Who will wear this after me? 15:06.532 --> 15:10.953 Who's our next chancellor? You? Fisher? Suffolk? 15:11.412 --> 15:13.580 - Fisher for me. - Aye, but for the King? 15:13.997 --> 15:17.208 What about my secretary, Master Cromwell? 15:17.875 --> 15:21.921 Cromwell. He's a very able man. 15:23.381 --> 15:24.381 But? 15:24.966 --> 15:27.260 Me rather than Cromwell. 15:28.052 --> 15:30.054 Then, come down to earth. 15:32.890 --> 15:34.142 Until you do... 15:36.602 --> 15:38.521 you and I are enemies. 15:40.398 --> 15:41.941 As Your Grace wishes. 15:44.861 --> 15:46.279 As God wills. 15:46.946 --> 15:48.489 Perhaps, Your Grace. 15:50.366 --> 15:53.535 More. You should have been a cleric. 15:54.369 --> 15:56.163 Like yourself, Your Grace? 16:10.093 --> 16:11.720 Goodnight, Sir Thomas. 16:18.852 --> 16:19.978 Sir Thomas. 16:20.854 --> 16:22.022 Sir Thomas. 16:23.148 --> 16:24.316 Sir Thomas. 16:26.464 --> 16:27.464 What's this? 16:27.465 --> 16:29.904 From some grateful poor folk, in Leicester. 16:30.468 --> 16:31.468 Leicester? 16:31.469 --> 16:33.908 You do more good than you know, sir. 16:36.118 --> 16:40.289 My daughter has a case, sir, in the Court of Poor Man's Causes. 16:42.041 --> 16:43.501 Baked apples, sir. 16:44.085 --> 16:45.795 To sweeten my judgement. 16:46.545 --> 16:49.907 I'll give your daughter the same judgement I would give my own. 16:50.007 --> 16:52.426 A fair one, quickly. 16:52.843 --> 16:54.036 Bless you, sir. 16:54.136 --> 16:57.807 I understand. Yes. I'll read it. Yes. Thank you. 17:03.520 --> 17:05.271 Good evening, Sir Thomas. 17:06.231 --> 17:08.465 - I'll read it. - It's an awkward case. 17:08.566 --> 17:10.844 - I could illuminate it for you... - I'll read it. 17:10.944 --> 17:12.569 Just a moment or two... 17:14.656 --> 17:15.698 Boat. 17:16.324 --> 17:17.324 Sir? 17:39.596 --> 17:40.706 Chelsea, sir? 17:40.806 --> 17:41.849 Chelsea. 17:42.516 --> 17:44.918 I expect you'll make it worth my while, sir. 17:45.018 --> 17:46.204 You've got a licence? 17:46.205 --> 17:48.422 Bless you, yes sir, I've got a licence. 17:48.522 --> 17:51.108 - Well then, the fares are fixed. - They are, sir. 17:51.233 --> 17:53.844 Hampton to Chelsea downstream, a penny halfpenny. 17:53.944 --> 17:56.096 Chelsea to Hampton upstream, a penny halfpenny. 17:56.196 --> 17:58.657 Whoever makes the regulations doesn't row a boat. 17:59.158 --> 18:02.686 No. Three pence if you get me home for breakfast. 18:02.786 --> 18:04.079 Thank you, sir. 18:32.190 --> 18:33.566 A nice cup, sir. 18:35.401 --> 18:36.401 Yes. 18:54.002 --> 18:55.712 That's worth money, sir. 19:33.457 --> 19:34.750 Mind a way, sir. 19:41.382 --> 19:42.675 Thank you, sir. 19:49.890 --> 19:52.100 - Have you been here all night? - Yes. 19:53.685 --> 19:56.020 You said there was a post? 19:56.646 --> 20:02.068 Yes. I'll offer you a post, with a house, a servant and £50 a year. 20:02.402 --> 20:03.528 What post? 20:04.195 --> 20:05.947 At the new school. 20:08.825 --> 20:09.951 A teacher. 20:10.952 --> 20:14.038 Richard, no one's going to give you a place at court. 20:15.749 --> 20:18.251 Master Cromwell says he'll do something for me. 20:19.961 --> 20:21.004 Cromwell? 20:22.380 --> 20:25.008 Well, if you know Cromwell you don't need my help. 20:26.467 --> 20:27.634 Sir Thomas? 20:30.262 --> 20:34.183 If only you knew how much, much rather, I had your help than his. 20:36.268 --> 20:38.020 Not to a place at court. 20:38.937 --> 20:40.022 Why not? 20:42.483 --> 20:43.483 Look. 20:44.943 --> 20:47.529 - What is it? - It's a bribe. 20:50.282 --> 20:53.410 "I am the gift of Averil Machin." 20:54.787 --> 20:58.082 And Averil Machin has a lawsuit in the Court of Requests. 20:58.957 --> 21:03.711 Italian silver. Take it. No joke. 21:06.339 --> 21:07.465 Thank you. 21:10.593 --> 21:12.095 What will you do with it? 21:12.637 --> 21:13.637 Sell it. 21:13.638 --> 21:15.973 - And buy what? - A decent gown. 21:17.183 --> 21:19.393 But Richard, that's a little bribe. 21:20.144 --> 21:22.671 At court they offer you all sorts of 21:22.672 --> 21:25.608 things, home, manor houses, coats of arms. 21:26.317 --> 21:28.861 A man should go where he won't be tempted. 21:29.904 --> 21:34.741 Why not be a teacher? You'd be a fine teacher. Perhaps a great one. 21:35.867 --> 21:40.414 - If I was, who would know it? - You. Your pupils. Your friends. 21:40.789 --> 21:43.583 God. Not a bad public, that. 21:47.587 --> 21:49.464 And a quiet life. 21:49.798 --> 21:52.701 You say that. You come from talking with the Cardinal. 21:52.801 --> 21:55.220 Yes, talking with the Cardinal. 21:56.471 --> 21:59.958 It's eating your heart out, isn't it? The high affairs of state. 22:00.058 --> 22:01.268 The divorce? 22:02.561 --> 22:03.729 Boatman. 22:04.229 --> 22:05.229 Sir? 22:05.230 --> 22:07.138 Take this gentleman to the New Inn. 22:07.139 --> 22:08.139 Right, sir. 22:08.140 --> 22:09.316 Sir Thomas? 22:10.359 --> 22:11.485 Thank you. 22:12.903 --> 22:14.530 Be a teacher. 22:25.040 --> 22:26.040 - Matthew. - Sir. 22:26.041 --> 22:27.960 - Lady Alice in bed? - Yes, sir. 22:28.461 --> 22:30.004 - Lady Margaret? - No, sir. 22:30.463 --> 22:32.365 The Master Roper's here, sir. 22:32.465 --> 22:34.425 At this hour? Who let him in? 22:35.217 --> 22:37.386 He's a hard man to keep out, sir. 23:00.867 --> 23:02.952 Will wants to marry me, Father. 23:03.828 --> 23:05.538 Well, he can't marry you. 23:07.040 --> 23:09.025 Sir Thomas, I'm called to the Bar. 23:09.125 --> 23:11.753 Oh, congratulations, Roper. 23:12.087 --> 23:14.464 My family may not be at the palace, but in the city... 23:14.756 --> 23:17.008 There's nothing wrong with your family, Will. 23:18.801 --> 23:20.886 There's not much wrong with you. 23:22.096 --> 23:24.181 Except you seem to need a clock. 23:24.848 --> 23:26.558 I can buy a clock, sir. 23:26.809 --> 23:28.335 Roper, the answer is no... 23:28.435 --> 23:31.005 and will be no as long as you're a heretic. 23:31.105 --> 23:33.340 Now, that's a word I don't like, Sir Thomas. 23:33.440 --> 23:35.384 It's not a likeable word or thing. 23:35.484 --> 23:37.421 The Church is heretical. Dr Luther's 23:37.422 --> 23:39.096 proved that to my satisfaction. 23:39.196 --> 23:40.931 Luther is an excommunicate. 23:41.031 --> 23:43.951 From a heretic Church. Church? It's a shop. 23:44.243 --> 23:46.777 Salvation by the shilling. And divorces. 23:46.778 --> 23:47.778 Will, no. 23:47.788 --> 23:50.916 - What I know, I'll say. - You've no sense of the place. 23:52.083 --> 23:53.876 He's no sense of the time. 23:54.460 --> 23:56.087 Now listen well. 23:56.462 --> 23:58.990 Two years ago you were a passionate churchman. 23:59.090 --> 24:01.034 Now you're a passionate Lutheran. 24:01.134 --> 24:04.162 We must just pray that when your head's finished turning... 24:04.262 --> 24:06.472 your face is to the front again. 24:08.516 --> 24:11.144 - Is your horse here? - No, sir, I walked. 24:12.145 --> 24:14.897 Well, take a horse from the stables and get back home. 24:16.816 --> 24:17.859 Go along. 24:19.485 --> 24:20.903 May I come again? 24:23.239 --> 24:25.199 Yes. Soon. 24:30.746 --> 24:32.372 Is that final, Father? 24:32.622 --> 24:35.459 As long as he's a heretic, Meg, that's absolute. 24:39.379 --> 24:41.131 What did Wolsey want? 24:44.384 --> 24:45.969 Nice boy, young Will. 24:48.305 --> 24:50.724 Terribly strong principles, though. 24:51.808 --> 24:53.310 Clumsy, too. 24:54.102 --> 24:56.938 - You're very pensive. - You're very gay. 24:57.522 --> 24:59.024 Was it the divorce? 25:00.691 --> 25:01.734 To bed. 25:02.651 --> 25:04.956 They're a cantankerous lot, the Ropers. 25:04.957 --> 25:07.031 Always swimming against the stream. 25:07.239 --> 25:09.408 Old Roper was just the same... 25:10.951 --> 25:13.037 You don't want to talk about it. 25:13.954 --> 25:14.954 No. 25:19.919 --> 25:21.973 I'm sorry you were awakened, chick. 25:21.974 --> 25:23.756 I wasn't sleeping very deeply. 25:24.215 --> 25:25.800 What did Wolsey want? 25:27.968 --> 25:30.596 - Will Roper's been. - Will Roper? 25:30.846 --> 25:33.708 Yes, he's been here all night. He wants to marry Meg. 25:33.808 --> 25:35.715 Why you don't beat that girl I... 25:35.716 --> 25:36.716 No. 25:36.893 --> 25:40.522 She's full of education and it's a delicate commodity. 25:41.231 --> 25:42.524 Goodnight, Meg. 25:42.816 --> 25:43.942 Goodnight. 25:48.113 --> 25:50.932 Marry Meg. A lawyer's son. 25:51.032 --> 25:52.867 Well, she's a lawyer's daughter. 25:56.287 --> 25:58.766 Norfolk spoke of you for Chancellor 25:58.767 --> 26:00.625 of England before he left. 26:01.501 --> 26:03.420 Well, he's a dangerous friend then. 26:04.504 --> 26:06.673 Wolsey's chancellor, God help him. 26:06.965 --> 26:09.117 But Norfolk said, if Wolsey fell, you... 26:09.217 --> 26:13.178 If Wolsey fell, the splash would swamp a few small boats like ours. 26:13.679 --> 26:14.722 No. 26:15.305 --> 26:18.308 There'll be no new chancellors while Wolsey lives. 27:08.483 --> 27:11.194 The Duke of Norfolk, Earl Marshal of England. 27:25.874 --> 27:28.210 Have you any message for His Majesty? 27:30.670 --> 27:32.297 If I had served God... 27:32.714 --> 27:35.467 one half so well as I've served my King... 27:36.676 --> 27:40.931 God would not have left me here, to die in this place. 27:42.724 --> 27:44.845 Thank God you're dying here. The King 27:44.846 --> 27:46.686 would have you die in the Tower. 28:10.960 --> 28:14.004 "I am straightly charged by the King himself... 28:14.797 --> 28:18.426 "here openly to declare how much all England... 28:18.551 --> 28:20.720 "is beholden to this man. 28:21.137 --> 28:25.975 "And how worthy he is to have the highest room in the realm. 28:26.475 --> 28:30.478 "And how dearly the King's grace doth love and trust him... 28:31.438 --> 28:33.773 "not only for much good council... 28:34.190 --> 28:37.819 "deliberate council, but for better council yet... 28:38.570 --> 28:41.281 "that which is privy to the King's person. 28:42.449 --> 28:44.534 "This same, Sir Thomas More... 28:44.826 --> 28:47.579 "here made before you all to be... 28:48.163 --> 28:50.957 "Lord Chancellor of the Realm." 30:30.554 --> 30:32.080 Calm yourself, Matthew. 30:32.180 --> 30:33.849 Fetch Lady Alice. 30:46.235 --> 30:47.945 That's very well. 30:52.450 --> 30:54.285 My lady. The King. 31:59.681 --> 32:01.834 Now remember, the visit's a surprise. 32:01.934 --> 32:03.794 But he'll know we're expecting him... 32:03.894 --> 32:06.630 It's a very great honour. One friend calling on another. 32:06.730 --> 32:08.382 What's he really coming for? 32:08.482 --> 32:10.843 To talk about the divorce. He wants an answer. 32:10.943 --> 32:13.387 - But he's had his answer. - He wants another. 32:13.487 --> 32:14.488 Thomas. 32:21.870 --> 32:23.900 Your Majesty does my house more honour 32:23.901 --> 32:25.774 than I fear my household will bear. 32:25.874 --> 32:28.084 No ceremony Thomas, no ceremony. 32:28.209 --> 32:30.778 A passing fancy. I happened to be on the river. 32:30.878 --> 32:32.213 Look. Mud. 32:36.217 --> 32:39.220 By heaven, what an evening. 32:40.179 --> 32:43.082 Lady Alice, I fear we came upon you unexpectedly. 32:43.182 --> 32:45.768 Yes, Your Grace. Well, no, Your Grace. 32:46.060 --> 32:48.296 Well, that is, we are ready to entertain... 32:48.396 --> 32:50.815 This is my daughter Margaret, sire. 32:52.567 --> 32:55.403 She's not yet had the honour to meet Your Grace. 32:55.611 --> 32:58.740 Why Margaret, they told me you were a scholar. 32:59.532 --> 33:01.241 Answer, Margaret. 33:01.450 --> 33:04.202 Among women, I pass for one, Your Grace. 33:06.318 --> 33:10.318 Is your Latin the old Latin, or Oxford Latin? 33:11.364 --> 33:13.364 My father’s Latin, Sire. 33:14.719 --> 33:21.119 Good. That is the best. And has he taught you Greek too? 33:22.083 --> 33:24.472 Not my father, Sire, but my father’s 33:24.474 --> 33:27.053 friend, John Colet, Dean of St. Paul’s. 33:27.055 --> 33:30.042 But it is with the Greek as it is with the Latin; the 33:30.044 --> 33:33.085 skill of the master is lost in the pupil’s lack of it. 33:35.233 --> 33:36.984 Can you dance, too? 33:37.693 --> 33:39.278 Not well, Your Grace. 33:41.405 --> 33:43.574 Well, I dance superlatively. 33:44.492 --> 33:46.911 That's a dancer's leg, Margaret. 34:00.007 --> 34:02.243 Lady Alice, the river's given me an appetite. 34:02.343 --> 34:05.496 If Your Grace would share a very simple supper. 34:05.596 --> 34:07.665 It would please me. Lead them in. 34:07.765 --> 34:09.208 Thomas and I will follow. 34:09.308 --> 34:10.683 Matthew. 34:11.101 --> 34:13.395 My lords and gentlemen. 34:19.025 --> 34:20.318 Margaret? 34:20.610 --> 34:21.969 Your Grace? 34:22.070 --> 34:23.696 Do you like music? 34:23.822 --> 34:25.407 Yes, Your Grace. 34:25.907 --> 34:27.742 They'll play to you. 34:51.389 --> 34:53.891 Now, listen to this. 34:56.645 --> 34:57.980 Sit down. 34:59.773 --> 35:02.067 Be seated. No courtship, Thomas. 35:06.447 --> 35:08.741 You're my friend, are you not? 35:09.283 --> 35:10.309 Your Majesty. 35:10.409 --> 35:12.937 Thank God I have a friend for my chancellor. 35:13.037 --> 35:16.065 Readier to befriend, I trust, than he was to be chancellor. 35:16.165 --> 35:18.359 My own knowledge of my poor abilities... 35:18.459 --> 35:20.752 I will judge of your abilities. 35:21.669 --> 35:22.712 Thomas? 35:25.840 --> 35:28.760 You know that Wolsey named you for chancellor? 35:29.844 --> 35:34.057 Before he died, Wolsey named you, and Wolsey was no fool. 35:34.640 --> 35:38.269 He was a statesman of incomparable ability, Your Grace. 35:40.563 --> 35:41.814 Was he? 35:43.232 --> 35:44.609 Was he so? 35:45.693 --> 35:47.737 Then, why did he fail me? 35:50.364 --> 35:52.200 It was villainy then. 35:52.784 --> 35:55.185 Yes, villainy. Secret opposition, secret. 35:55.285 --> 35:58.689 But deliberate, wilful, meditated opposition. 35:58.789 --> 36:01.316 Wanted to be pope to master me, Wolsey. 36:01.416 --> 36:02.901 What is it? Thought. 36:03.001 --> 36:05.348 Because I'm simple and plain and deal 36:05.349 --> 36:07.447 with every man straightforwardly. 36:07.547 --> 36:11.468 Because of that I say, do they take me for a simpleton? 36:16.431 --> 36:21.228 Wolsey was a proud man, Thomas. 36:22.312 --> 36:23.897 Pride right through. 36:24.147 --> 36:25.565 And he failed me. 36:26.733 --> 36:30.069 Failed me in the one thing that matters, then as now. 36:33.864 --> 36:34.990 But look. 36:35.950 --> 36:37.118 Be seated. 36:42.498 --> 36:43.874 What an evening. 36:45.084 --> 36:47.211 A man could fight a lion. 36:47.628 --> 36:49.755 Some men could, Your Grace. 36:51.090 --> 36:52.258 Thomas... 36:53.384 --> 36:56.053 touching this matter of my divorce. 36:56.470 --> 36:58.706 Have you thought of it since we last spoke? 36:58.806 --> 36:59.874 Of little else. 36:59.974 --> 37:01.833 Then you see your way clear to me? 37:01.933 --> 37:04.811 That you should put away Queen Catherine, sire? 37:05.061 --> 37:07.130 Alas, as I think of it, I see so clearly... 37:07.230 --> 37:10.342 that I cannot come with Your Grace, that my endeavour is... 37:10.442 --> 37:11.801 not to think of it at all. 37:11.901 --> 37:14.320 Then you haven't thought enough. 37:21.494 --> 37:22.704 Lilac. 37:24.247 --> 37:25.957 We have them at Hampton. 37:26.875 --> 37:28.710 Not so fine as this, though. 37:31.046 --> 37:33.590 I'm in an excellent frame of mind. 37:38.260 --> 37:42.039 Thomas, you must consider, I stand in peril of my soul. 37:42.139 --> 37:43.640 It was no marriage. 37:44.183 --> 37:47.352 I have lived in incest with my brother's widow. 37:48.312 --> 37:50.999 Leviticus: "Thou shalt not uncover the 37:51.000 --> 37:53.342 nakedness of thy brother's wife." 37:53.442 --> 37:55.761 Leviticus. Chapter 18, verse 16. 37:55.861 --> 37:57.721 Yes, Your Grace. But Deuteronomy... 37:57.821 --> 37:59.807 Deuteronomy is ambiguous. 37:59.907 --> 38:02.559 Your Grace, I'm not fitted to meddle in these matters. 38:02.659 --> 38:04.770 To me, it seems a matter for the Holy See... 38:04.870 --> 38:08.624 Thomas, does a man need a pope to tell him where he's sinned? 38:10.291 --> 38:11.793 It was a sin. 38:12.627 --> 38:14.379 God's punished me. 38:15.380 --> 38:16.839 I've no son. 38:18.299 --> 38:20.118 Son after son she's borne me. 38:20.218 --> 38:23.221 All dead at birth, or dead within the month. 38:23.388 --> 38:26.082 I never saw the hand of God so clear in anything. 38:26.182 --> 38:28.334 It's my bounden duty to put away the Queen. 38:28.434 --> 38:30.399 And all the popes, back to Peter, shall 38:30.400 --> 38:32.021 not come between me and my duty. 38:34.565 --> 38:37.051 How is it that you cannot see? Everyone else does. 38:37.151 --> 38:40.279 Then, why does Your Grace need my poor support? 38:40.780 --> 38:42.198 Because you're honest. 38:42.699 --> 38:45.517 And what is more to the purpose, you're known to be honest. 38:45.617 --> 38:48.145 Those like Norfolk follow me because I wear the crown. 38:48.245 --> 38:49.895 Those like Cromwell follow because 38:49.896 --> 38:51.690 they're jackals with sharp teeth... 38:51.790 --> 38:53.984 and I'm their tiger. A mass follows me... 38:54.084 --> 38:56.044 because it follows anything that moves. 38:58.588 --> 38:59.840 And then there's you. 39:01.800 --> 39:05.470 I am sick to think how much I must displease Your Grace. 39:06.096 --> 39:09.808 No, Thomas, I respect your sincerity. 39:13.145 --> 39:14.771 But respect... 39:15.397 --> 39:18.191 man, that's water in the desert. 39:23.738 --> 39:25.139 How'd you like our music? 39:25.239 --> 39:27.350 That air they played, it had a certain... 39:27.450 --> 39:29.936 Well, tell me what you thought of it. 39:30.036 --> 39:32.288 Could it have been Your Grace's own? 39:32.663 --> 39:33.831 Discovered. 39:34.665 --> 39:37.610 Now I'll never know your true opinion, and that's irksome. 39:37.710 --> 39:41.172 Well, we artists, we love praise, yet we love truth better. 39:41.380 --> 39:43.151 Then I will tell my true opinion. 39:43.152 --> 39:44.152 Well? 39:44.153 --> 39:47.053 To me it seemed delightful. 39:48.971 --> 39:53.166 Thomas, I chose the right man for chancellor. 39:53.266 --> 39:55.539 I should in fairness add that my taste 39:55.540 --> 39:57.520 in music is reputedly deplorable. 39:58.354 --> 40:00.590 Your taste in music is excellent. 40:00.690 --> 40:02.901 It exactly coincides with my own. 40:07.322 --> 40:08.531 Music. 40:10.116 --> 40:11.409 Music. 40:12.410 --> 40:14.590 Send them back without me, Thomas. I'll 40:14.591 --> 40:16.606 live here in Chelsea and make music. 40:16.706 --> 40:18.900 My house is at Your Grace's disposal. 40:19.000 --> 40:21.503 Touching this other business, mark you... 40:23.880 --> 40:25.799 I'll have no opposition. 40:27.549 --> 40:28.951 Your Grace. 40:29.051 --> 40:33.305 No opposition, I say. No opposition. 40:34.264 --> 40:35.641 Be seated. 40:38.685 --> 40:43.148 I'll leave you out of it but you are my chancellor. 40:44.400 --> 40:48.404 I don't take it kindly and I'll have no opposition. 40:50.906 --> 40:52.783 I see how it will be. 40:53.992 --> 40:56.161 The bishops will oppose me. 40:56.578 --> 40:59.182 The full-fed princes of the Church. 40:59.183 --> 41:01.208 Hypocrites. All hypocrites. 41:01.375 --> 41:03.710 Mind they do not take you in, Thomas. 41:03.835 --> 41:05.403 Your Grace is unjust. 41:05.503 --> 41:08.615 If I cannot serve Your Grace in this great matter of the Queen. 41:08.715 --> 41:11.092 I have no queen. 41:11.759 --> 41:13.803 Catherine's not my wife. 41:14.554 --> 41:16.681 No priest can make her so. 41:17.390 --> 41:21.102 They that say she is my wife are not only liars, but traitors. 41:23.104 --> 41:24.647 Yes, traitors. 41:25.481 --> 41:27.275 That I will not brook now. 41:27.900 --> 41:29.068 Treachery. 41:30.194 --> 41:31.387 I will not brook. 41:31.487 --> 41:32.822 It maddens me. 41:33.239 --> 41:38.827 It is a deadly canker in the body politic, and I will have it out. 41:48.670 --> 41:49.796 See? 41:51.965 --> 41:54.259 You see how you've maddened me? 41:54.843 --> 41:57.137 I hardly know myself. 42:04.978 --> 42:08.048 If you could come with me, there's no man I'd sooner raise... 42:08.148 --> 42:10.025 yes, with my own hand. 42:10.359 --> 42:12.443 Your Grace overwhelms me. 42:22.370 --> 42:23.829 What's that? 42:24.330 --> 42:25.998 Eight o'clock, Your Grace. 42:28.000 --> 42:29.877 Lift yourself up, man. 42:33.839 --> 42:36.550 Have I not promised I'll leave you out of it? 42:38.177 --> 42:39.470 Shall we eat? 42:39.595 --> 42:41.222 If Your Grace pleases. 42:45.558 --> 42:47.102 Eight o'clock, you said. 42:48.687 --> 42:50.438 The tide will be turning. 42:50.814 --> 42:52.764 I was forgetting the tide. I must go. 42:52.765 --> 42:53.983 I'm sorry, Your Grace. 42:54.484 --> 42:57.429 If I don't catch the tide I'll not get back to Richmond. 42:57.529 --> 42:59.072 No, don't come. 43:02.659 --> 43:04.593 Lady Alice, I must go and catch the 43:04.594 --> 43:06.313 tide. Affairs call me to court. 43:06.413 --> 43:09.082 So we give you our thanks and we say goodnight. 43:31.437 --> 43:32.730 What's this? 43:33.313 --> 43:35.174 - You crossed him. - Somewhat. 43:35.274 --> 43:37.384 - Why? - I couldn't find the other way. 43:37.484 --> 43:39.511 You're too nice altogether, Thomas. 43:39.611 --> 43:43.115 - Woman, mind your house. - I am minding my house. 43:46.452 --> 43:48.370 God save Your Majesty. 43:49.705 --> 43:51.540 God save Your Grace. 43:58.713 --> 44:00.465 God save the King. 44:03.259 --> 44:04.552 Lift. 44:12.560 --> 44:13.770 Drop blades. 44:16.314 --> 44:18.566 Sire. Sire. Sire. 44:50.430 --> 44:52.683 Are you coming my way, Rich? 44:54.976 --> 44:56.061 No. 44:58.063 --> 45:00.315 I think you should, you know. 45:00.774 --> 45:02.900 I can't tell you anything. 45:09.573 --> 45:10.741 Well? 45:23.421 --> 45:24.672 Thomas? 45:27.133 --> 45:28.926 Stay friends with him. 45:30.428 --> 45:34.181 Whatever may be done by smiling, you may rely on me to do. 45:41.438 --> 45:43.606 Set your mind at rest. 45:43.898 --> 45:47.152 This is not the stuff of which martyrs are made. 45:56.828 --> 45:59.831 Good evening, sir, Lady Alice. 46:01.249 --> 46:03.209 Will wants to talk to you, Father. 46:04.711 --> 46:06.613 I told him it wouldn't be convenient. 46:06.713 --> 46:07.714 You were quite right. 46:08.506 --> 46:11.425 You're very free with my daughter's hand, Roper. 46:11.967 --> 46:12.967 Yes. 46:13.469 --> 46:15.387 It's of that I wish to speak. 46:15.763 --> 46:18.682 Sir, you've had a disagreement with His Majesty. 46:19.558 --> 46:21.877 - Have I? - So Meg tells me. 46:21.977 --> 46:23.937 I offer my congratulations. 46:24.313 --> 46:27.216 If it's true, is it a matter for congratulation? 46:27.316 --> 46:28.359 Yes. 46:31.737 --> 46:36.408 Sir, when last I asked you for your daughter's hand... 46:36.658 --> 46:39.870 you objected to my unorthodox opinions. 46:40.412 --> 46:41.605 - I did. - Yes. 46:41.705 --> 46:44.375 Well, since then my views have somewhat modified. 46:48.878 --> 46:50.671 Well, that's good hearing, Will. 46:51.631 --> 46:53.455 Mind you, I modify nothing concerning 46:53.456 --> 46:55.326 the various corruptions in the Church. 46:55.426 --> 46:56.426 Quite right. 46:56.427 --> 46:58.246 But an attack upon the Church herself... 46:58.346 --> 47:00.873 no. I see behind that an attack on God. 47:00.973 --> 47:02.458 - Roper. - The Devil's work... 47:02.558 --> 47:04.335 to be done by the Devil's ministers. 47:04.435 --> 47:06.337 For heaven's sake, remember my office. 47:06.437 --> 47:07.880 If you stand on your office... 47:07.980 --> 47:12.193 No, I don't stand on it, but there are certain things I may not hear. 47:12.902 --> 47:13.902 Sir Thomas. 47:16.114 --> 47:17.407 Richard? 47:18.157 --> 47:19.324 I fell. 47:21.159 --> 47:22.411 Lady Alice. 47:22.744 --> 47:24.313 - Lady Margaret. - Good evening. 47:24.413 --> 47:26.832 Do you know William Roper, the younger? 47:26.998 --> 47:28.875 By reputation, of course. 47:29.126 --> 47:31.420 - Good evening, Master... - Rich. 47:38.927 --> 47:40.429 You've heard of me? 47:40.679 --> 47:41.805 Yes. 47:42.139 --> 47:45.559 In what connection? I don't know what you can have heard. 47:51.440 --> 47:53.608 I sense that I'm not welcome here. 47:53.858 --> 47:56.928 Why Richard? Have you done something to make you not welcome? 47:57.028 --> 47:58.387 Cromwell is asking questions. 47:58.487 --> 48:00.470 About you. He's always asking questions 48:00.471 --> 48:01.907 about you and your opinions. 48:02.408 --> 48:03.701 Of whom? 48:04.744 --> 48:06.996 Of him, for one. That's one of his sources. 48:08.664 --> 48:11.042 Of course. That's one of my servants. 48:12.710 --> 48:14.336 All right, Matthew. 48:19.342 --> 48:21.761 Well, you look at me as though I were an enemy. 48:24.388 --> 48:26.349 Why Richard, you're shaking. 48:28.099 --> 48:29.392 Help me. 48:30.310 --> 48:31.311 How? 48:31.436 --> 48:32.729 Employ me. 48:33.438 --> 48:34.522 No. 48:35.065 --> 48:36.858 - Employ me. - No. 48:52.457 --> 48:54.292 I would be faithful. 48:58.046 --> 49:02.217 You couldn't answer for yourself even so far as tonight. 49:14.353 --> 49:15.562 Arrest him. 49:15.688 --> 49:17.172 - For what? - He's dangerous. 49:17.272 --> 49:19.049 - Libel. He's a spy. - That man's bad. 49:19.149 --> 49:21.343 - There's no law against that. - God's law. 49:21.443 --> 49:24.013 - Then God can arrest him. - While you talk, he's gone. 49:24.113 --> 49:27.141 Go he should, if he were the Devil, until he broke the law. 49:27.241 --> 49:29.476 Now you give the Devil benefit of law. 49:29.477 --> 49:30.894 Yes, what would you do? 49:30.994 --> 49:33.522 Cut a road through the law to get after the Devil? 49:33.622 --> 49:36.583 Yes. I'd cut down every law in England to do that. 49:37.417 --> 49:40.486 And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned on you... 49:40.586 --> 49:43.615 where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? 49:43.715 --> 49:46.409 This country is planted with laws from coast to coast... 49:46.509 --> 49:49.120 Man's laws, not God's, and if you cut them down... 49:49.220 --> 49:50.955 and you're just the man to do it... 49:51.055 --> 49:53.134 do you really think you could stand 49:53.135 --> 49:55.560 upright in the wind that would blow then? 49:56.436 --> 49:57.436 Yes. 49:57.437 --> 50:01.733 I give the Devil benefit of law for my own safety's sake. 50:39.644 --> 50:41.396 - Master Rich? - Yes. 50:41.521 --> 50:43.065 In there, sir. 50:49.111 --> 50:51.155 Rich? Come in. 50:55.201 --> 50:57.311 Taken you long enough to get here. 50:57.411 --> 50:59.121 Have I kept you waiting? 51:00.331 --> 51:01.582 Months. 51:03.959 --> 51:06.170 - Here. - Thank you. 51:07.588 --> 51:09.131 Do you know the news? 51:09.465 --> 51:12.593 - What news? - Sir Thomas Paget is retiring. 51:14.136 --> 51:16.222 And I succeed him. 51:17.431 --> 51:19.166 Secretary to the Council? 51:19.266 --> 51:20.392 You? 51:20.934 --> 51:22.644 'Tis surprising, isn't it? 51:24.020 --> 51:26.815 I mean, one sees that's logical. 51:28.775 --> 51:31.653 Sit down, Rich. No ceremony, no courtship... 51:31.778 --> 51:33.863 as His Majesty would say. 51:37.325 --> 51:39.119 You see how I trust you. 51:40.078 --> 51:42.831 I'd never repeat or report a thing like that. 51:44.124 --> 51:46.918 What kind of thing would you repeat or report? 51:49.004 --> 51:50.797 Nothing said in friendship. 51:51.214 --> 51:52.532 Do you believe that? 51:52.632 --> 51:54.617 - Why, yes. - No, seriously. 51:54.717 --> 51:56.093 Well, yes. 51:56.427 --> 52:00.389 Rich, seriously. 52:05.602 --> 52:08.939 That would depend what I was offered. 52:10.816 --> 52:12.426 Don't say it just to please me. 52:12.526 --> 52:15.237 It's true. It would depend what I was offered. 52:17.322 --> 52:20.284 Well, there is another post vacant. 52:20.743 --> 52:22.953 Collector of Revenues for York. 52:23.579 --> 52:25.189 Is it in your gift? 52:25.289 --> 52:26.665 Effectively. 52:27.708 --> 52:29.500 What must I do for it? 52:31.919 --> 52:35.214 I know a man who wants to change his woman. 52:36.841 --> 52:39.744 Normally a matter of small importance, but in this case... 52:39.844 --> 52:43.014 it's our liege, Lord Henry, the eighth of that name. 52:43.765 --> 52:45.974 Which is a quaint way of saying that if 52:45.975 --> 52:48.127 he wants to change his woman, he will. 52:48.227 --> 52:50.396 And our job as administrators... 52:50.980 --> 52:55.318 is to minimise the inconvenience which this is going to cause. 52:55.443 --> 52:57.275 That's our only job, Rich, to 52:57.276 --> 52:59.739 minimise the inconvenience of things. 53:00.198 --> 53:03.200 A harmless occupation you would say, but no. 53:03.450 --> 53:06.453 We administrators are not liked, Rich. 53:06.912 --> 53:08.689 We are not popular. 53:08.789 --> 53:10.733 I say "we" on the assumption you'll 53:10.734 --> 53:13.001 accept the post at York I've offered you. 53:17.964 --> 53:19.091 Yes. 53:26.932 --> 53:28.442 It's a bad sign when people are 53:28.443 --> 53:30.294 depressed by their own good fortune. 53:30.394 --> 53:32.421 - I'm not depressed. - You look depressed. 53:32.521 --> 53:34.923 I was lamenting. I've lost my innocence. 53:35.023 --> 53:37.900 Some time ago. Have you only just noticed? 53:39.402 --> 53:41.869 Your friend, our present Lord Chancellor, 53:41.870 --> 53:43.572 now there's an innocent man. 53:45.700 --> 53:47.576 The odd thing is, he is. 53:47.827 --> 53:50.813 Yes, I say he is. Unhappily... 53:50.913 --> 53:53.274 his innocence is tangled up in this problem... 53:53.374 --> 53:56.110 that you can't change your woman without a divorce... 53:56.210 --> 53:59.463 and you can't get a divorce unless the Pope says so. 53:59.588 --> 54:02.046 And from this meaningless circumstance, 54:02.047 --> 54:04.135 I foresee a certain measure of... 54:04.468 --> 54:06.762 - Inconvenience? - Just so. 54:07.847 --> 54:10.599 This goblet he gave you, how much was it worth? 54:12.517 --> 54:14.443 Come along, he gave you a silver 54:14.444 --> 54:16.730 goblet. How much did you get for it? 54:17.063 --> 54:18.256 Fifty shillings. 54:18.356 --> 54:21.359 It was a gift, wasn't it, from a litigant, a woman? 54:21.943 --> 54:23.945 - Yes. - Which court? Chancery? 54:25.697 --> 54:27.782 Don't get drunk. 54:28.283 --> 54:30.869 Which court was the litigant's case? 54:32.787 --> 54:34.539 Court of Requests. 54:36.624 --> 54:39.377 There. That wasn't too painful, was it? 54:42.005 --> 54:43.423 - No. - No. 54:43.548 --> 54:46.175 And you'll find it easier, next time. 55:21.584 --> 55:24.420 My Lord Archbishop, my lords... 55:24.796 --> 55:27.173 Reverend Doctors of the Church. 55:27.382 --> 55:30.285 The answer of our liege, Lord Henry... 55:30.385 --> 55:32.829 to his trusty well-beloved subjects... 55:32.929 --> 55:35.682 pontiffs in the Canterbury Convocation. 55:37.392 --> 55:38.685 "His Majesty... 55:38.810 --> 55:41.074 "acknowledges your humble admission 55:41.075 --> 55:42.772 of many grievous errors... 55:43.940 --> 55:45.383 "for which he accepts... 55:45.483 --> 55:50.154 "the manumission of £100,000 in token. 55:52.657 --> 55:54.664 "Mindful for the well-being of the realm 55:54.665 --> 55:56.476 and the quietness of his subjects... 55:56.576 --> 55:58.779 "His Majesty requires that you do now 55:58.780 --> 56:00.981 straightly renounce your pretended... 56:01.081 --> 56:03.500 "allegiance to the See of Rome. 56:04.042 --> 56:07.212 "And admit the statute passed through parliament... 56:07.546 --> 56:10.090 "acknowledging the King's good title... 56:10.674 --> 56:13.468 "Supreme Head of the Church in England." 56:19.099 --> 56:22.060 Well, my lords, what's your answer? 56:24.021 --> 56:26.398 Yea or nay? 56:28.691 --> 56:31.235 His Majesty accepts your resignation very sadly. 56:31.610 --> 56:33.971 He's mindful of your goodness and past loyalty. 56:34.071 --> 56:36.270 And in any matter concerning your honour 56:36.271 --> 56:38.576 and welfare he'll continue your good lord. 56:39.952 --> 56:42.204 You will convey my humble gratitude. 56:48.461 --> 56:50.880 - Help me with this. - Not I. 56:54.425 --> 56:56.302 - Alice? - No. 56:57.261 --> 56:59.440 Sun and moon, Master More, you're 56:59.441 --> 57:02.016 taken for a wise man. Is this wisdom? 57:02.308 --> 57:04.000 To betray your ability... 57:04.100 --> 57:07.771 abandon your station and forget your duty to your kith and kin? 57:08.480 --> 57:10.148 Shall I, sir? 57:11.816 --> 57:14.444 No, thank you, son Roper. 57:16.279 --> 57:17.447 Margaret... 57:18.740 --> 57:20.116 will you? 57:21.451 --> 57:22.702 Yes. 57:27.832 --> 57:29.751 If you want. 57:34.881 --> 57:36.758 There's my clever girl. 57:40.135 --> 57:44.556 Well done, sir. In my opinion, that thing's a degradation. 57:44.682 --> 57:47.251 I'll tell you my opinion of the King's title, too... 57:47.351 --> 57:51.230 Don't. Will, silence. Remember, you have a wife now... 57:52.106 --> 57:53.857 and may have children. 58:05.703 --> 58:07.771 All right, Thomas, make me understand... 58:07.871 --> 58:10.649 because I tell you, to me this looks like cowardice. 58:10.749 --> 58:11.749 All right, I will. 58:12.000 --> 58:15.545 This isn't reformation, this is war against the Church. 58:15.753 --> 58:17.604 Our King has declared war on the Pope 58:17.605 --> 58:19.407 because the Pope will not declare... 58:19.507 --> 58:22.385 - that our Queen is not his wife. - And is she? 58:25.471 --> 58:26.806 Is she? 58:29.308 --> 58:32.211 Have I your word that what we say here is between us two? 58:32.311 --> 58:33.521 Very well. 58:33.646 --> 58:37.191 And if the King should command you to repeat what I may say? 58:37.317 --> 58:39.277 I should keep my word to you. 58:39.402 --> 58:43.239 Then what has become of your oath of obedience to the King? 58:45.949 --> 58:47.768 You lay traps for me. 58:47.868 --> 58:50.495 No, I show you the times. 58:53.790 --> 58:57.653 We are at war with the Pope. For the Pope's a prince, isn't he? 58:57.753 --> 58:59.905 He is. He's also the descendant of St. 58:59.906 --> 59:01.782 Peter, our only link with Christ. 59:01.882 --> 59:05.744 So you believe. And will you forfeit all you have... 59:05.844 --> 59:08.789 which includes the respect of your country, for a belief? 59:08.889 --> 59:12.184 Because what matters is that I believe it, or rather, no... 59:12.768 --> 59:15.937 not that I believe it, but that I believe it. 59:16.730 --> 59:20.108 - I trust I make myself obscure? - Perfectly. 59:22.860 --> 59:26.697 Why do you insult me with this lawyer's chatter? 59:27.406 --> 59:29.325 Because I'm afraid. 59:29.492 --> 59:31.118 Man, you're ill. 59:33.913 --> 59:36.540 This isn't Spain, you know. This is England. 59:55.975 --> 01:00:00.021 My friends, you all know why I've called you here. 01:00:00.772 --> 01:00:04.192 I have today resigned my office. 01:00:06.653 --> 01:00:09.656 I am no longer a great man. 01:00:10.865 --> 01:00:14.160 Sir, we want you to know that we're all on your side. 01:00:14.995 --> 01:00:17.455 My side? What side is that? 01:00:17.831 --> 01:00:19.733 Well, sir, we all know what you think. 01:00:19.833 --> 01:00:22.319 None of you knows what I think. And if you guess... 01:00:22.419 --> 01:00:25.463 and babble it about, you do me no good service. 01:00:27.257 --> 01:00:31.118 Since I am no more a great man, I no longer need a great household. 01:00:31.218 --> 01:00:36.015 Nor can I afford one. You will have to go. 01:00:36.390 --> 01:00:39.460 However, I still number some great men among my friends... 01:00:39.560 --> 01:00:41.837 and they still need great households. 01:00:41.937 --> 01:00:45.341 No one will be turned away until we've found another place for him. 01:00:45.441 --> 01:00:47.518 We can't find places for them all. 01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:48.519 Yes, we can. 01:00:50.571 --> 01:00:52.072 Thank you. 01:00:53.365 --> 01:00:54.867 That is all. 01:01:05.585 --> 01:01:07.253 What about you, Matthew? 01:01:10.923 --> 01:01:12.467 Will you stay? 01:01:12.592 --> 01:01:14.535 Well, sir, that's according. 01:01:14.635 --> 01:01:17.430 There will be more work and less money. 01:01:18.765 --> 01:01:20.888 Well then, I don't see how I can then, sir. 01:01:20.889 --> 01:01:22.794 After all, I've got my own... 01:01:22.894 --> 01:01:26.856 Quite right, Matthew. Why should you? I shall miss you, Matthew. 01:01:27.982 --> 01:01:30.777 Oh, no, sir, you see through me, sir. I know that. 01:01:35.448 --> 01:01:37.158 I shall miss you. 01:01:48.752 --> 01:01:51.046 Damn me. Isn't that them all over. 01:01:51.505 --> 01:01:53.865 Miss me? What's in me for him to miss? 01:01:53.965 --> 01:01:55.969 "Matthew, will you take a cut in 01:01:55.970 --> 01:01:58.287 wages?" No, Sir Thomas, I will not. 01:01:58.387 --> 01:02:00.761 And that's it. And that's all of it. 01:02:00.762 --> 01:02:03.308 All right, so he's down on his luck, I'm sorry. 01:02:04.101 --> 01:02:06.353 I don't mind saying that I'm sorry, bad luck. 01:02:06.645 --> 01:02:08.797 If I had good luck to spare he could have some. 01:02:08.897 --> 01:02:10.883 I wish we could have good luck all the time. 01:02:10.983 --> 01:02:15.611 I wish rainwater was beer. I wish we had wings. But we don't. 01:02:26.747 --> 01:02:29.125 Well, there's an end of you. 01:02:30.001 --> 01:02:32.028 What'll you do now? Sit by the fire... 01:02:32.128 --> 01:02:34.280 and make goslings in the ash? 01:02:34.380 --> 01:02:36.424 Not at all, Alice. 01:02:37.299 --> 01:02:39.719 I expect I'll write a bit... 01:02:40.886 --> 01:02:42.263 I'll write... 01:02:43.139 --> 01:02:45.308 I'll read, I'll think. 01:02:46.933 --> 01:02:48.768 I think I'll learn to fish. 01:02:50.520 --> 01:02:54.482 I'll play with my grandchildren when son Roper's done his duty. 01:02:56.234 --> 01:02:58.696 Alice, shall I teach you to read? 01:02:58.697 --> 01:02:59.697 No, by God. 01:03:03.116 --> 01:03:06.019 Poor, silly man, you think they'll leave you here to think? 01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:08.580 If we govern our tongues, they will. 01:03:12.250 --> 01:03:14.495 I have a word to say on that. I've made 01:03:14.496 --> 01:03:16.796 no statement. I've resigned, that's all. 01:03:18.131 --> 01:03:20.128 The King is made, by Act of Parliament, 01:03:20.129 --> 01:03:22.076 Supreme Head of the Church in England. 01:03:22.176 --> 01:03:24.368 This English Church will divorce him from 01:03:24.369 --> 01:03:26.455 the Queen, then marry him to Lady Anne. 01:03:26.555 --> 01:03:30.434 But on any of these matters, have you heard me make a statement? 01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:31.602 No. 01:03:31.894 --> 01:03:33.585 If I'm to lose my rank and fall to 01:03:33.586 --> 01:03:35.673 housekeeping, I want to know the reason. 01:03:35.773 --> 01:03:37.800 - So make a statement now. - No. 01:03:37.900 --> 01:03:40.886 Alice, it's a point of law. Accept it from me... 01:03:40.986 --> 01:03:43.889 that in silence is my safety, under the law. 01:03:43.989 --> 01:03:47.643 And my silence must be absolute, it must extend to you. 01:03:47.743 --> 01:03:49.870 In short, you don't trust me. 01:03:53.582 --> 01:03:55.311 I'm the Lord Chief Justice, I'm 01:03:55.312 --> 01:03:57.543 Cromwell, I'm the keeper of the Tower. 01:03:57.877 --> 01:03:59.237 I take your hand... 01:03:59.337 --> 01:04:03.199 I clamp it on the Bible, on the blessed Cross and I say: 01:04:03.299 --> 01:04:06.678 "Woman, has your husband made a statement on these matters? 01:04:07.261 --> 01:04:10.723 "On peril of your soul remember, what is your answer?" 01:04:12.809 --> 01:04:13.893 No. 01:04:15.144 --> 01:04:17.939 And so it must remain. 01:04:26.906 --> 01:04:29.408 Have you opened your mind to Meg? 01:04:29.866 --> 01:04:32.661 Would I tell Meg what I won't tell you? 01:04:33.370 --> 01:04:36.748 Meg has your heart. I know that well enough. 01:04:48.468 --> 01:04:50.637 This is a dangerous matter then... 01:04:51.596 --> 01:04:53.390 if you've not told Meg. 01:04:54.057 --> 01:04:57.019 I don't think so. No. 01:04:58.353 --> 01:05:00.480 When they find I'm silent... 01:05:01.231 --> 01:05:04.400 they'll want nothing better than to leave me silent. 01:05:05.651 --> 01:05:07.194 You'll see. 01:05:29.342 --> 01:05:32.720 But he's silent, Master Secretary, why not leave him silent? 01:05:32.887 --> 01:05:35.931 Your Grace, not being a man of letters... 01:05:36.557 --> 01:05:39.376 you perhaps don't realise the extent of his reputation. 01:05:39.476 --> 01:05:42.420 This silence of his is bellowing up and down Europe. 01:05:42.520 --> 01:05:44.714 In Europe he is claimed as the King's enemy. 01:05:44.814 --> 01:05:47.259 Rubbish. Crank he may be, traitor he is not. 01:05:47.359 --> 01:05:49.778 Exactly. And with a little pressure... 01:05:50.779 --> 01:05:52.973 With a little pressure he can be got to say so. 01:05:53.073 --> 01:05:55.809 That's all we need. A brief declaration of his loyalty... 01:05:55.909 --> 01:05:57.676 to the present administration. 01:05:57.677 --> 01:05:59.829 I still say, let sleeping dogs lie. 01:06:00.705 --> 01:06:02.999 The King does not agree with you. 01:06:08.046 --> 01:06:12.174 What kind of pressure do you think you can bring to bear? 01:06:12.841 --> 01:06:15.003 I have evidence that, Sir Thomas, while 01:06:15.004 --> 01:06:16.787 he was a judge, accepted bribes. 01:06:16.887 --> 01:06:18.305 What? 01:06:18.597 --> 01:06:20.382 Goddammit. He was the only judge 01:06:20.383 --> 01:06:22.501 since Cato who didn't accept bribes. 01:06:22.601 --> 01:06:25.880 When was there a chancellor whose possessions, after three years... 01:06:25.980 --> 01:06:28.816 totalled £100 and a gold chain? 01:06:32.820 --> 01:06:35.139 It is, as you imply, common practise... 01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:38.267 but a practise may be common and remain an offence. 01:06:38.367 --> 01:06:40.953 This offence could send a man to the Tower. 01:06:46.125 --> 01:06:47.417 Come here. 01:06:48.418 --> 01:06:51.738 This woman's name is Averil Machin. She comes from Leicester. 01:06:51.838 --> 01:06:53.948 - She entered a case... - A property case it was. 01:06:54.048 --> 01:06:55.508 Shut your mouth. 01:06:56.426 --> 01:06:59.120 A property case in the Court of Requests in April, 1528. 01:06:59.220 --> 01:07:00.747 And got a wicked false judgement. 01:07:00.847 --> 01:07:03.666 And got an impeccably correct judgement from, Sir Thomas. 01:07:03.766 --> 01:07:05.835 - No, sir, it was not. - Tell the gentleman... 01:07:05.935 --> 01:07:08.646 about the gift you gave the judge. 01:07:09.772 --> 01:07:11.482 I gave him a cup, sir. 01:07:11.607 --> 01:07:15.053 A silver Italian cup I bought in Leicester, for 100 shillings. 01:07:15.153 --> 01:07:17.155 Did, Sir Thomas accept this cup? 01:07:17.405 --> 01:07:18.598 Yes, sir, he did. 01:07:18.698 --> 01:07:22.159 He did accept it. We can corroborate that. You can go. 01:07:22.492 --> 01:07:24.411 - To my way of thinking... - Go. 01:07:33.337 --> 01:07:36.006 - Is that your witness? - No. 01:07:36.798 --> 01:07:39.054 By an odd coincidence that cup later 01:07:39.055 --> 01:07:41.553 came into the hands of Master Rich here. 01:07:43.347 --> 01:07:44.473 How? 01:07:47.392 --> 01:07:50.479 - He gave it to me, Your Grace. - Gave it to you? Why? 01:07:50.896 --> 01:07:52.147 A gift. 01:07:53.148 --> 01:07:56.275 Yes, you were a friend, weren't you? 01:07:56.901 --> 01:07:59.153 When did Thomas give you this thing? 01:07:59.987 --> 01:08:01.864 I can't exactly remember. 01:08:04.700 --> 01:08:07.119 Do you "remember" what you did with it? 01:08:07.536 --> 01:08:09.330 - I sold it. - Where? 01:08:09.997 --> 01:08:12.208 - A shop. - Has the shop still got it? 01:08:13.292 --> 01:08:15.461 No. They've lost all track of it. 01:08:15.711 --> 01:08:17.171 How convenient. 01:08:19.298 --> 01:08:21.408 You doubt Master Rich's word, Your Grace? 01:08:21.509 --> 01:08:23.844 It had occurred to me. 01:08:26.889 --> 01:08:28.975 This is the bill of sale. 01:08:39.776 --> 01:08:42.174 That cow put her case into court in 01:08:42.175 --> 01:08:44.572 April, you said. This is dated May. 01:08:45.698 --> 01:08:48.643 In other words, the moment Thomas knew the cup was a bribe... 01:08:48.743 --> 01:08:52.162 he dropped it into the nearest gutter. 01:08:55.041 --> 01:08:58.044 The facts will bear that interpretation, I suppose. 01:08:59.296 --> 01:09:02.032 This is a horse that won't run, Master Secretary. 01:09:02.131 --> 01:09:04.908 Just a trial gallop. We'll find something better. 01:09:05.009 --> 01:09:07.594 - I want no part of it. - You have no choice. 01:09:09.470 --> 01:09:11.223 What's that you say? 01:09:12.683 --> 01:09:14.921 The King particularly wishes you to be 01:09:14.923 --> 01:09:17.104 active in this matter of, Sir Thomas. 01:09:17.563 --> 01:09:19.089 He's not told me that. 01:09:19.189 --> 01:09:21.108 Indeed? He told me. 01:09:25.237 --> 01:09:26.863 Look here, Cromwell... 01:09:27.156 --> 01:09:29.325 what's the purpose of all this? 01:09:29.450 --> 01:09:30.993 There you have me. 01:09:32.368 --> 01:09:34.621 It's a matter of conscience, I think. 01:09:34.830 --> 01:09:38.332 The King wants, Sir Thomas to bless his marriage. 01:09:38.791 --> 01:09:41.179 If, Sir Thomas appeared at the wedding now, 01:09:41.180 --> 01:09:43.296 it might save us all a lot of trouble. 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:48.259 He won't attend the wedding. 01:09:48.384 --> 01:09:50.886 If I were you, I'd try and persuade him. 01:09:51.511 --> 01:09:54.682 I really would try, if I were you. 01:09:57.185 --> 01:10:00.188 Cromwell, are you threatening me? 01:10:00.313 --> 01:10:03.650 My dear Norfolk, this isn't Spain. 01:10:04.525 --> 01:10:06.194 This is England. 01:12:22.576 --> 01:12:25.079 Thomas? Thomas. 01:13:31.018 --> 01:13:32.127 Lady Margaret? 01:13:32.227 --> 01:13:33.227 Yes. 01:13:35.397 --> 01:13:38.899 We've been cutting greens. We use them for fuel. 01:13:41.152 --> 01:13:45.489 I have a letter for your father, Lady Margaret. From Hampton Court. 01:13:48.909 --> 01:13:53.039 He's to answer certain charges before Secretary Cromwell. 01:13:56.208 --> 01:13:58.085 Good of you to come, Sir Thomas. 01:14:04.091 --> 01:14:06.619 Master Rich will make a record of our conversation. 01:14:06.719 --> 01:14:08.746 Good of you to tell me, Master Secretary. 01:14:08.846 --> 01:14:10.331 I think you know one another. 01:14:10.431 --> 01:14:12.766 Indeed yes, we're old friends. 01:14:13.725 --> 01:14:16.061 That's a nice gown you have, Richard. 01:14:21.232 --> 01:14:23.485 Sir Thomas, believe me. 01:14:23.693 --> 01:14:27.781 No, that's asking too much. But let me tell you all the same. 01:14:28.073 --> 01:14:31.868 You have no more sincere admirer than myself. 01:14:32.994 --> 01:14:35.372 No, not yet, Rich, not yet. 01:14:39.376 --> 01:14:41.194 If I might hear the charges. 01:14:41.294 --> 01:14:42.294 The charges? 01:14:42.295 --> 01:14:44.239 I understand there are certain charges. 01:14:44.339 --> 01:14:46.295 Some ambiguities of behaviour I should 01:14:46.296 --> 01:14:47.950 like to clarify, hardly charges. 01:14:48.050 --> 01:14:51.720 Make a note of that, will you, Master Rich? There are no charges. 01:14:52.721 --> 01:14:54.974 Sir Thomas, Sir Thomas. 01:14:59.979 --> 01:15:03.023 The King is not pleased with you. 01:15:03.816 --> 01:15:05.317 I am grieved. 01:15:06.110 --> 01:15:07.984 And yet, do you know that even now, 01:15:07.985 --> 01:15:09.597 if you could bring yourself... 01:15:09.697 --> 01:15:11.791 to agree with the Church, universities, 01:15:11.792 --> 01:15:13.309 the Lords and the Commons... 01:15:13.409 --> 01:15:15.537 there is no honour which His Majesty 01:15:15.538 --> 01:15:17.204 would be likely to deny you? 01:15:17.746 --> 01:15:21.041 I am well acquainted with His Grace's generosity. 01:15:24.127 --> 01:15:25.253 Very well. 01:15:27.714 --> 01:15:31.968 You have heard of the so-called "Holy Maid of Kent"... 01:15:32.385 --> 01:15:34.871 who was executed for prophesying against the King? 01:15:34.971 --> 01:15:37.140 - Yes, I met her. - Yes, you met her. 01:15:37.307 --> 01:15:40.919 Yet you did not warn His Majesty of her treason. How was that? 01:15:41.019 --> 01:15:44.397 She spoke no treason. Our talk was not political. 01:15:44.772 --> 01:15:47.759 But the woman was notorious. Do you expect me to believe that? 01:15:47.859 --> 01:15:51.054 - Happily, there were witnesses. - You wrote a letter to her. 01:15:51.154 --> 01:15:53.574 Yes. I wrote, advising her to abstain 01:15:53.575 --> 01:15:56.058 from meddling in the affairs of state. 01:15:56.158 --> 01:16:00.078 I have a copy of the letter. Also witnessed. 01:16:02.247 --> 01:16:04.266 You have been cautious. 01:16:04.267 --> 01:16:07.336 I like to keep my affairs regular. 01:16:14.426 --> 01:16:18.347 In the June of 1521, the King published a book. 01:16:19.348 --> 01:16:20.849 A theological work. 01:16:22.351 --> 01:16:25.045 It was called, A Defence of the Seven Sacraments. 01:16:25.145 --> 01:16:27.551 For which he was named "Defender of 01:16:27.552 --> 01:16:30.091 the Faith" by His Holiness, the Pope. 01:16:30.191 --> 01:16:33.553 By the Bishop of Rome, or do you insist on "pope"? 01:16:33.653 --> 01:16:37.823 No. "Bishop of Rome" if you like. It doesn't alter his authority. 01:16:38.950 --> 01:16:41.798 Thank you. You come to the point very 01:16:41.799 --> 01:16:44.272 readily. What is that authority? 01:16:44.372 --> 01:16:46.440 For example, in the Church of England... 01:16:46.540 --> 01:16:49.377 what exactly is the Bishop of Rome's authority? 01:16:50.294 --> 01:16:54.632 You will find it very ably set out and defended, Master Secretary... 01:16:54.882 --> 01:16:56.676 in the King's book. 01:16:57.259 --> 01:16:58.751 In the book published under the 01:16:58.752 --> 01:17:00.580 King's name, would be more accurate. 01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:03.165 - You wrote this book. - I wrote no part of it. 01:17:03.265 --> 01:17:05.125 I don't mean you actually held the pen. 01:17:05.225 --> 01:17:08.044 I answered to my best ability, some points of common law... 01:17:08.144 --> 01:17:10.463 which the King put to me, as I was bound to do. 01:17:10.563 --> 01:17:12.132 Do you deny you instigated it? 01:17:12.232 --> 01:17:15.802 It was from first to last the King's own project. 01:17:15.902 --> 01:17:17.028 The King says not. 01:17:20.490 --> 01:17:22.826 The King knows the truth of it. 01:17:23.702 --> 01:17:25.979 And whatever he may have said to you... 01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:29.291 he will not give evidence to support this accusation. 01:17:30.709 --> 01:17:31.985 Why not? 01:17:32.085 --> 01:17:36.381 Because evidence is given on oath, and he will not perjure himself. 01:17:36.965 --> 01:17:40.718 If you don't know that, then you don't yet know him. 01:17:46.390 --> 01:17:47.766 Sir Thomas More. 01:17:47.933 --> 01:17:49.126 Have you anything to say... 01:17:49.226 --> 01:17:51.603 regarding the King's marriage with Queen Anne? 01:17:52.521 --> 01:17:54.840 I understood I was not to be asked that again. 01:17:54.940 --> 01:17:57.051 Then you understood wrongly. These charges... 01:17:57.151 --> 01:18:01.614 They are terrors for children, Master Secretary, not for me. 01:18:07.328 --> 01:18:10.064 Then know that the King commands me to charge you... 01:18:10.164 --> 01:18:12.750 in his name, with great ingratitude. 01:18:13.541 --> 01:18:15.705 And to tell you that there never was, nor 01:18:15.706 --> 01:18:17.612 could be, so villainous a servant... 01:18:17.712 --> 01:18:20.590 nor so traitorous a subject, as yourself. 01:18:22.425 --> 01:18:23.468 So... 01:18:26.179 --> 01:18:28.473 I am brought here at last. 01:18:29.432 --> 01:18:30.475 Brought? 01:18:31.768 --> 01:18:34.437 You've brought yourself to where you stand now. 01:18:36.689 --> 01:18:37.857 You may go. 01:18:43.404 --> 01:18:44.781 For the present. 01:18:51.203 --> 01:18:52.829 What will you do now? 01:18:55.040 --> 01:18:56.917 Whatever's necessary. 01:19:05.884 --> 01:19:06.927 Boat. 01:19:23.818 --> 01:19:26.821 Oh, come, come, it's not as bad as all that. 01:19:32.285 --> 01:19:33.536 Howard. 01:19:39.583 --> 01:19:41.168 I can't get home. 01:19:41.919 --> 01:19:43.754 They won't bring me a boat. 01:19:44.046 --> 01:19:45.798 Do you blame them? 01:19:45.965 --> 01:19:47.591 Is it as bad as that? 01:19:48.050 --> 01:19:50.386 It's every bit as bad as that. 01:19:51.470 --> 01:19:53.998 Then it's good of you to be seen with me. 01:19:54.098 --> 01:19:55.683 I followed you. 01:19:56.808 --> 01:19:58.560 Were you followed? 01:20:09.112 --> 01:20:11.306 - You're dangerous to know. - Then don't know me. 01:20:11.406 --> 01:20:13.350 - I do know you. - I mean as a friend. 01:20:13.450 --> 01:20:16.054 I am your friend. I wish I wasn't, but I am. 01:20:16.055 --> 01:20:17.495 What's to be done then? 01:20:17.621 --> 01:20:19.689 - Give in. - I can't give in, Howard. 01:20:19.789 --> 01:20:22.067 Our friendship's more mutable than that. 01:20:22.167 --> 01:20:24.903 The one fixed point in the world of turning friendship... 01:20:25.003 --> 01:20:26.675 is that, Sir More won't give in. 01:20:26.676 --> 01:20:28.740 To me it has to be, for that's myself. 01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:31.467 Affection goes as deep in me as you, I think. 01:20:31.925 --> 01:20:34.435 But only God is love right through, 01:20:34.436 --> 01:20:36.388 Howard, and that's my self. 01:20:37.973 --> 01:20:39.350 And who are you? 01:20:41.101 --> 01:20:43.170 A lawyer. And a lawyer's son. 01:20:43.270 --> 01:20:45.231 We're supposed to be the proud ones, 01:20:45.232 --> 01:20:47.299 the arrogant ones, we've all given in. 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:49.051 Why must you stand out? 01:20:49.151 --> 01:20:52.529 Goddammit man. It's disproportionate. 01:20:55.741 --> 01:20:57.326 You'll break my heart. 01:20:58.535 --> 01:21:02.414 No one is safe, Howard, and you have a son. 01:21:05.750 --> 01:21:08.044 We'll end our friendship now. 01:21:08.461 --> 01:21:10.588 - For friendship's sake? - Yes. 01:21:11.381 --> 01:21:12.381 Daft. 01:21:20.056 --> 01:21:21.975 Norfolk, you're a fool. 01:21:23.393 --> 01:21:25.837 You can't place a quarrel, you haven't the style. 01:21:25.937 --> 01:21:27.768 Hear me out. You and your class have 01:21:27.769 --> 01:21:29.549 given in, as you rightly call it... 01:21:29.649 --> 01:21:32.635 because this country's religion means nothing to you at all. 01:21:32.735 --> 01:21:34.988 Well, that's a foolish saying for a start. 01:21:35.947 --> 01:21:37.473 The nobility of England... 01:21:37.573 --> 01:21:39.437 The nobility of England would have 01:21:39.438 --> 01:21:41.685 snored through the Sermon on the Mount. 01:21:41.785 --> 01:21:45.580 But you'll labour like scholars over a bulldog's pedigree. 01:21:46.081 --> 01:21:47.941 An artificial quarrel is not a quarrel. 01:21:48.041 --> 01:21:49.922 We've had a quarrel since the day we 01:21:49.923 --> 01:21:51.753 met. Our friendship was mere sloth. 01:21:52.045 --> 01:21:54.865 You can be cruel when you want, but I've always known that. 01:21:54.965 --> 01:21:58.176 What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? 01:22:00.178 --> 01:22:01.413 - Yes. - It's their nature? 01:22:01.513 --> 01:22:03.290 - Yes. - It's why you breed them? 01:22:03.390 --> 01:22:04.600 It's so with men. 01:22:05.017 --> 01:22:07.002 I will not give in, because I oppose it. 01:22:07.102 --> 01:22:09.935 Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any 01:22:09.936 --> 01:22:12.691 other of my appetites, but I do, I. 01:22:13.566 --> 01:22:15.782 Is there, in the midst of all this muscle, 01:22:15.783 --> 01:22:17.637 no sinew that serves no appetite... 01:22:17.737 --> 01:22:20.056 of Norfolk's, but is just Norfolk? There is. 01:22:20.156 --> 01:22:21.613 Give that some exercise, my lord. 01:22:21.614 --> 01:22:22.614 Thomas. 01:22:22.615 --> 01:22:25.228 As you stand you'll go before your Maker ill conditioned. 01:22:25.328 --> 01:22:26.328 Now steady. 01:22:26.329 --> 01:22:28.610 And he'll think that, somewhere back along 01:22:28.611 --> 01:22:31.042 your pedigree, a bitch got over the wall. 01:22:45.431 --> 01:22:49.476 Cast in this very house on April 3, last year... 01:22:49.851 --> 01:22:54.214 it is a matter very fit for the Commons, gathered here... 01:22:54.314 --> 01:22:56.900 in parliament, to take in hand. 01:22:57.150 --> 01:23:01.321 Or, in consequence of the decay of guilds... 01:23:01.613 --> 01:23:05.725 the woollen cloth, now coming out of Yorkshire, Lincoln... 01:23:05.825 --> 01:23:09.329 and the like, is not to blame and this... 01:23:11.456 --> 01:23:14.626 I will defer the rest of my matter to later. 01:23:22.132 --> 01:23:24.237 That the loyal Commons, here assembled, 01:23:24.238 --> 01:23:26.553 will speedily enact this bill, I doubt not. 01:23:26.804 --> 01:23:29.125 For as much as it concerns the King's new 01:23:29.126 --> 01:23:31.225 title and his marriage to Queen Anne. 01:23:31.517 --> 01:23:35.271 Both matters pleasing to a loyal subject. 01:23:36.897 --> 01:23:38.649 Mark, my Masters... 01:23:38.983 --> 01:23:43.487 there is among us a brood of discreet traitors... 01:23:43.862 --> 01:23:46.182 to which deceit the King can brook no longer. 01:23:46.282 --> 01:23:49.492 And we, his loyal huntsmen, must now drive 01:23:49.493 --> 01:23:52.329 these subtle foxes from their covert. 01:24:21.065 --> 01:24:22.065 Father? 01:24:22.066 --> 01:24:23.151 Margaret. 01:24:24.736 --> 01:24:26.446 I couldn't get a boat. 01:24:26.988 --> 01:24:28.598 What is it, Meg? 01:24:28.698 --> 01:24:31.366 Father, there's a new act going through parliament. 01:24:33.577 --> 01:24:36.063 And by this act, they're going to administer an oath... 01:24:36.163 --> 01:24:37.956 about the marriage. 01:24:38.624 --> 01:24:40.375 On what compulsion is the oath? 01:24:41.627 --> 01:24:43.946 - High treason. - But what is the wording? 01:24:44.046 --> 01:24:46.406 Do the words matter? We know what it means. 01:24:46.506 --> 01:24:47.616 Tell me the words. 01:24:47.716 --> 01:24:50.410 An oath is made of words. It may be possible to take it. 01:24:50.510 --> 01:24:51.510 Take it? 01:24:51.511 --> 01:24:53.639 And if it can be taken, you must take it, too. 01:24:54.473 --> 01:24:55.473 No. 01:24:55.474 --> 01:24:59.895 Listen, Meg. God made the angels to show him splendour. 01:25:00.395 --> 01:25:05.107 As he made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. 01:25:05.232 --> 01:25:07.316 But Man he made to serve him 01:25:07.317 --> 01:25:10.071 wittily, in the tangle of his mind. 01:25:10.529 --> 01:25:13.850 If he suffers us to come to such a case that there is no escaping... 01:25:13.950 --> 01:25:16.769 then we may stand to our tackle as best we can. 01:25:16.869 --> 01:25:19.299 And yes, Meg, then we can clamour like 01:25:19.300 --> 01:25:21.916 champions, if we have the spittle for it. 01:25:22.249 --> 01:25:26.195 But it's God's part, not our own, to bring ourselves to such a pass. 01:25:26.295 --> 01:25:29.674 Our natural business lies in escaping. 01:25:31.884 --> 01:25:33.886 If I can take this oath, I will. 01:25:38.975 --> 01:25:40.792 I would, for my sake, you could take the oath. 01:25:40.892 --> 01:25:43.478 I never took a man into the Tower less willingly. 01:25:43.895 --> 01:25:45.730 Thank you, Master Governor. 01:25:48.733 --> 01:25:50.110 Thank you. 01:25:52.404 --> 01:25:53.571 Sir Thomas. 01:27:27.204 --> 01:27:28.413 Sir Thomas. 01:27:31.583 --> 01:27:32.834 Sir Thomas. 01:27:53.522 --> 01:27:55.524 This is iniquitous. 01:27:59.277 --> 01:28:01.654 - Where to this time? - Richmond Palace. 01:28:58.793 --> 01:29:00.128 Sit down. 01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:10.955 This is the Seventh Commission to inquire into the case... 01:29:11.055 --> 01:29:14.041 of, Sir Thomas More, appointed by His Majesty's Council. 01:29:14.141 --> 01:29:16.085 Have you anything to say? 01:29:16.185 --> 01:29:17.269 No. 01:29:20.105 --> 01:29:22.049 - Seen this document before? - Many times. 01:29:22.149 --> 01:29:23.759 It is the Act of Succession. 01:29:23.859 --> 01:29:26.345 These are the names of those who have sworn to it. 01:29:26.445 --> 01:29:28.275 I have, as you say, seen it before. 01:29:28.276 --> 01:29:29.431 Will you swear to it? 01:29:29.531 --> 01:29:30.616 No. 01:29:31.450 --> 01:29:33.410 Thomas, we must know... 01:29:37.456 --> 01:29:39.252 We must know plainly whether you 01:29:39.253 --> 01:29:41.609 recognise the offspring of Queen Anne... 01:29:41.709 --> 01:29:43.695 as heirs to the throne. 01:29:43.795 --> 01:29:46.406 The King in parliament tells me that they are. 01:29:46.506 --> 01:29:48.832 - Of course I recognise them. - Will you swear to it? 01:29:48.833 --> 01:29:49.880 Yes. 01:29:49.881 --> 01:29:52.120 Then why won't he swear to the act? 01:29:52.220 --> 01:29:55.039 Because there is more than that in the act. 01:29:55.139 --> 01:29:57.238 Just so. Sir Thomas, it states in the 01:29:57.239 --> 01:29:59.669 preamble that the King's former marriage... 01:29:59.769 --> 01:30:01.754 to the Lady Catherine was unlawful... 01:30:01.854 --> 01:30:04.121 she being his brother's widow and the 01:30:04.122 --> 01:30:06.567 Pope having no authority to sanction it. 01:30:07.819 --> 01:30:09.737 Is that what you deny? 01:30:15.701 --> 01:30:17.786 Is that what you dispute? 01:30:24.293 --> 01:30:27.212 Is that what you are not sure of? 01:30:33.427 --> 01:30:35.741 You insult His Majesty and Council in 01:30:35.742 --> 01:30:37.873 the person of the Lord Archbishop. 01:30:37.973 --> 01:30:39.208 I insult no one. 01:30:39.308 --> 01:30:43.186 I will not take the oath. I will not tell you why I will not. 01:30:43.312 --> 01:30:45.504 Then your reasons must be treasonable. 01:30:45.505 --> 01:30:46.840 Not "must be," may be. 01:30:46.940 --> 01:30:48.633 It's a fair assumption. 01:30:48.733 --> 01:30:50.405 The law requires more than an 01:30:50.406 --> 01:30:52.595 assumption, the law requires a fact. 01:30:52.695 --> 01:30:55.890 Of course, I cannot judge your legal standing in the case... 01:30:55.990 --> 01:30:58.809 but until I know the ground of your objections... 01:30:58.909 --> 01:31:02.914 I can only guess your spiritual standing, too. 01:31:03.289 --> 01:31:05.333 If you're willing to guess that, it should 01:31:05.334 --> 01:31:07.235 be small matter to guess my objections. 01:31:07.335 --> 01:31:09.320 Then you do have objections to the act? 01:31:09.420 --> 01:31:11.255 Well, we know that, Cromwell. 01:31:11.464 --> 01:31:12.824 No, my lord, you don't. 01:31:12.924 --> 01:31:14.993 You may suppose I have objections, all you 01:31:14.994 --> 01:31:16.869 know is that I will not swear to it... 01:31:16.969 --> 01:31:20.014 for which you cannot lawfully harm me further. 01:31:20.264 --> 01:31:22.499 But if you were right in supposing me 01:31:22.500 --> 01:31:24.793 to have objections, and right again... 01:31:24.893 --> 01:31:27.420 in supposing my objections to be treasonable... 01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:30.857 the law would let you cut my head off. 01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:33.985 Oh, yes. 01:31:35.153 --> 01:31:36.763 Well done, Sir Thomas. 01:31:36.863 --> 01:31:40.851 I've been trying to make that clear to His Grace for some time. 01:31:40.951 --> 01:31:43.228 Oh, confound all this. I'm not a scholar. 01:31:43.328 --> 01:31:45.480 I don't know if the marriage was lawful or not... 01:31:45.580 --> 01:31:47.666 but damn it, Thomas, look at these names. 01:31:48.166 --> 01:31:51.628 Why can't you do as I did, and come with us, for fellowship? 01:31:53.088 --> 01:31:54.982 And when we die, and you are sent to 01:31:54.983 --> 01:31:56.824 heaven for doing your conscience... 01:31:56.924 --> 01:31:59.541 and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, 01:31:59.542 --> 01:32:01.971 will you come with me, for fellowship? 01:32:03.264 --> 01:32:06.542 So, those of us whose names are there, are damned, Sir Thomas? 01:32:06.642 --> 01:32:09.628 I have no window to look into another man's conscience. 01:32:09.728 --> 01:32:11.005 I condemn no one. 01:32:11.105 --> 01:32:13.032 Then the matter is capable of question? 01:32:13.033 --> 01:32:14.074 Certainly. 01:32:14.075 --> 01:32:17.011 But that you owe obedience to the King is not capable of question. 01:32:17.111 --> 01:32:20.322 So weigh a doubt against a certainty and sign. 01:32:23.284 --> 01:32:28.330 Some men think the earth is round, others think it flat. 01:32:28.539 --> 01:32:31.082 It is a matter capable of question. 01:32:31.874 --> 01:32:36.154 But if it is flat, will the King's command make it round? 01:32:36.254 --> 01:32:39.591 And if it is round, will the King's command flatten it? 01:32:40.425 --> 01:32:43.303 No, I will not sign. 01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:47.123 Then you have more regard for your own doubt than the King's command? 01:32:47.223 --> 01:32:49.501 - For myself I have no doubt. - No doubt of what? 01:32:49.601 --> 01:32:51.878 No doubt that I will not take this oath. 01:32:51.978 --> 01:32:53.908 But why I will not, you, Master 01:32:53.909 --> 01:32:56.274 Secretary, will not trick out of me. 01:32:56.691 --> 01:32:59.569 I might get it out of you in other ways. 01:33:00.820 --> 01:33:03.406 You threaten like a dockside bully. 01:33:03.573 --> 01:33:04.807 How should I threaten? 01:33:04.907 --> 01:33:08.744 Like a minister of state, with justice. 01:33:09.453 --> 01:33:12.080 Justice is what you're threatened with. 01:33:12.205 --> 01:33:14.082 Then I am not threatened. 01:33:20.464 --> 01:33:22.758 Gentlemen, can't I go to bed? 01:33:22.966 --> 01:33:25.309 Aye. The prisoner may retire as he requests. 01:33:25.310 --> 01:33:26.310 Unless you... 01:33:26.376 --> 01:33:28.680 I see no purpose in prolonging this. 01:33:32.684 --> 01:33:35.812 Then, goodnight, Thomas. 01:33:40.983 --> 01:33:43.486 May I have one or two more books? 01:33:44.362 --> 01:33:45.863 Why, you have books? 01:33:46.280 --> 01:33:47.280 Yes. 01:33:47.281 --> 01:33:49.825 I didn't know, you shouldn't have. 01:33:58.084 --> 01:33:59.902 May I see my family? 01:34:00.002 --> 01:34:01.087 No. 01:34:07.551 --> 01:34:08.594 Captain. 01:34:08.886 --> 01:34:10.596 Master Secretary? 01:34:11.430 --> 01:34:13.308 Have you ever heard the prisoner speak 01:34:13.309 --> 01:34:15.041 of the King's divorce, supremacy... 01:34:15.141 --> 01:34:17.419 - or the King's marriage? - No, not a word. 01:34:17.519 --> 01:34:20.230 If he does, you will repeat it to me. 01:34:21.231 --> 01:34:22.607 Of course. 01:34:27.737 --> 01:34:28.737 Rich. 01:34:28.738 --> 01:34:29.748 Secretary? 01:34:29.749 --> 01:34:32.409 Tomorrow morning, remove the prisoner's books. 01:34:32.576 --> 01:34:34.269 Is that necessary? 01:34:34.369 --> 01:34:37.397 With regards to this case, the King is becoming impatient. 01:34:37.497 --> 01:34:39.357 - Aye, with you. - With all of us. 01:34:39.457 --> 01:34:42.752 The King's impatience will embrace a duke or two. 01:34:52.553 --> 01:34:54.013 Master Secretary. 01:34:55.973 --> 01:34:58.142 Sir Redvers Llewellyn has retired. 01:34:59.143 --> 01:35:01.186 The Attorney General for Wales. 01:35:01.437 --> 01:35:03.230 His post is vacant. 01:35:04.356 --> 01:35:06.567 You said that I might approach you. 01:35:07.735 --> 01:35:09.695 Not now, Rich. 01:35:12.781 --> 01:35:14.992 He must submit. He must. 01:35:16.160 --> 01:35:17.202 Rack him. 01:35:21.206 --> 01:35:24.918 No. The King's conscience will not permit it. 01:35:25.293 --> 01:35:27.670 We have to find some other way. 01:35:36.971 --> 01:35:38.389 Sir Thomas. 01:35:40.725 --> 01:35:41.725 Father. 01:35:41.726 --> 01:35:43.102 What? Margaret? 01:35:43.978 --> 01:35:45.480 Father. 01:35:46.189 --> 01:35:49.342 Meg. For God's sake, they haven't put you in here? 01:35:49.442 --> 01:35:51.845 - No, sir, a visit. - A brief one, Sir Thomas. 01:35:51.945 --> 01:35:53.363 Father. 01:35:54.405 --> 01:35:56.741 - Good morning, husband. - Good morning. 01:36:00.327 --> 01:36:02.120 Good morning, Will. 01:36:07.501 --> 01:36:09.836 Well, this is a hellish place. 01:36:10.087 --> 01:36:13.115 Except it's keeping me from you, my dears, it isn't so bad. 01:36:13.215 --> 01:36:14.950 It's remarkably like any other place. 01:36:15.050 --> 01:36:17.970 - It drips. - Yes. It's too near the river. 01:36:29.856 --> 01:36:30.983 Well, what is it? 01:36:33.442 --> 01:36:36.988 Father, come out. Swear to the act and come out. 01:36:39.198 --> 01:36:41.367 Is this why they've let you come? 01:36:41.492 --> 01:36:42.535 Yes. 01:36:45.246 --> 01:36:47.498 Meg's under oath to persuade you. 01:36:49.166 --> 01:36:51.002 That was silly, Meg. 01:36:59.343 --> 01:37:01.512 How do you plan to do that? 01:37:03.556 --> 01:37:04.765 Father. 01:37:05.391 --> 01:37:07.203 "God more regards the thoughts of the 01:37:07.204 --> 01:37:08.919 heart than the words of the mouth." 01:37:09.019 --> 01:37:11.379 - Well, so you've always told me. - Yes. 01:37:11.479 --> 01:37:14.633 Then say the words of the oath and in your heart think otherwise. 01:37:14.733 --> 01:37:17.986 What is an oath then, but words we say to God? 01:37:24.659 --> 01:37:25.952 Listen, Meg. 01:37:26.745 --> 01:37:28.959 When a man takes an oath, he's holding 01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:30.832 his own self in his own hands... 01:37:31.124 --> 01:37:32.417 like water. 01:37:32.626 --> 01:37:35.184 And if he opens his fingers then, he 01:37:35.185 --> 01:37:37.672 needn't hope to find himself again. 01:37:38.882 --> 01:37:41.399 Some men aren't capable of this, but I'd be 01:37:41.400 --> 01:37:43.802 loathed to think your father one of them. 01:37:46.931 --> 01:37:49.308 - I have another argument. - Oh, Meg. 01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:52.186 In any state that was half good, you 01:37:52.187 --> 01:37:54.772 would be raised up high, not here... 01:37:54.939 --> 01:37:57.942 - for what you've done already. - All right. 01:37:58.275 --> 01:38:00.885 It's not your fault the state's three-quarters bad. 01:38:00.886 --> 01:38:01.920 No. 01:38:01.921 --> 01:38:04.530 If you elect to suffer for it, you elect to be a hero. 01:38:04.531 --> 01:38:06.075 That's very neat. 01:38:06.575 --> 01:38:08.935 But look now. If we lived in a state 01:38:08.936 --> 01:38:10.913 where virtue was profitable... 01:38:11.247 --> 01:38:13.524 common sense would make us saintly. 01:38:13.624 --> 01:38:18.044 But since we see that avarice, anger, pride and stupidity... 01:38:18.294 --> 01:38:20.944 commonly profit far beyond charity, 01:38:20.945 --> 01:38:23.299 modesty, justice and thought... 01:38:23.466 --> 01:38:26.052 perhaps we must stand fast a little... 01:38:26.219 --> 01:38:28.721 even at the risk of being heroes. 01:38:33.393 --> 01:38:34.794 But in reason. 01:38:34.894 --> 01:38:38.356 Haven't you done as much as God can reasonably want? 01:38:43.111 --> 01:38:47.031 Well, finally it isn't a matter of reason. 01:38:47.156 --> 01:38:49.533 Finally, it's a matter of love. 01:38:52.786 --> 01:38:55.898 You're content then to be shut up here with mice and rats... 01:38:55.998 --> 01:38:58.275 - when you might be home with us? - Content? 01:38:58.375 --> 01:39:00.890 If they'd open a crack that wide, I'd be 01:39:00.891 --> 01:39:03.589 through it like a bird and back to Chelsea. 01:39:08.218 --> 01:39:10.913 I haven't told you what the house is like without you. 01:39:11.013 --> 01:39:12.164 Don't, Meg. 01:39:12.264 --> 01:39:14.513 What we do in the evening without you. 01:39:14.514 --> 01:39:15.514 Meg, have done. 01:39:15.601 --> 01:39:17.853 We don't read because we've no candles. 01:39:18.061 --> 01:39:20.923 We don't talk because we wonder what they're doing to you. 01:39:21.023 --> 01:39:23.716 The King is more merciful. He doesn't use the rack. 01:39:23.816 --> 01:39:25.551 Two minutes to go, sir. 01:39:25.651 --> 01:39:28.321 - I thought you'd like to know. - Two minutes. 01:39:28.946 --> 01:39:31.490 - Jailer. - Sorry, sir. Two minutes. 01:39:33.284 --> 01:39:35.263 Listen, you must leave the country. 01:39:35.264 --> 01:39:37.188 All of you must leave the country. 01:39:37.288 --> 01:39:39.273 - And leave you? - It makes no difference. 01:39:39.373 --> 01:39:41.150 They won't let me see you again. 01:39:41.250 --> 01:39:44.153 You must all go on the same day, but not on the same boat. 01:39:44.253 --> 01:39:46.296 Different boats from different ports. 01:39:46.297 --> 01:39:47.573 After the trial, then. 01:39:47.673 --> 01:39:50.259 There'll be no trial, they have no case. 01:39:51.844 --> 01:39:53.846 Do this for me, I beseech you. 01:39:53.971 --> 01:39:55.790 - Will? - Yes, sir. 01:39:55.890 --> 01:39:57.724 - Margaret? - Yes. 01:39:58.391 --> 01:39:59.434 Alice? 01:40:05.398 --> 01:40:08.151 - Alice, I command you. - Right. 01:40:15.533 --> 01:40:17.535 This is splendid. 01:40:18.245 --> 01:40:21.106 - I know who packed this. - I packed it. 01:40:21.206 --> 01:40:22.249 Yes. 01:40:25.001 --> 01:40:27.571 You still make a superlative custard, Alice. 01:40:27.671 --> 01:40:28.755 Do I? 01:40:31.299 --> 01:40:33.634 That's a nice dress you have on. 01:40:34.969 --> 01:40:36.720 Nice colour anyway. 01:40:37.012 --> 01:40:39.139 My God, you think little of me. 01:40:39.723 --> 01:40:40.723 I know I'm a fool... 01:40:40.766 --> 01:40:44.003 but I'm not such a fool as to be lamenting for my dresses... 01:40:44.103 --> 01:40:46.564 or to relish complimenting on my custards. 01:40:46.730 --> 01:40:48.440 I'm well rebuked. 01:40:49.817 --> 01:40:51.443 - Alice... - No. 01:40:54.613 --> 01:40:59.410 I'm sick with fear when I think of the worst they may do to me. 01:40:59.577 --> 01:41:01.953 But worse than that will be to go 01:41:01.954 --> 01:41:04.690 with you not understanding why I go. 01:41:04.790 --> 01:41:05.815 I don't. 01:41:05.915 --> 01:41:08.588 If you can tell me that you understand, I 01:41:08.589 --> 01:41:11.070 might make a good death, if I have to. 01:41:11.170 --> 01:41:12.908 Your death's no good to me. 01:41:12.909 --> 01:41:15.366 You must tell me that you understand. 01:41:15.466 --> 01:41:16.634 I don't. 01:41:17.010 --> 01:41:18.786 I don't believe this had to happen. 01:41:18.886 --> 01:41:21.122 If you say that I don't see how I'm to face it. 01:41:21.222 --> 01:41:22.557 It's the truth. 01:41:22.974 --> 01:41:26.144 - You're an honest woman. - Much good may it do me. 01:41:26.936 --> 01:41:29.130 I'll tell you what I'm afraid of... 01:41:29.230 --> 01:41:32.150 that when you've gone, I shall hate you for it. 01:41:36.571 --> 01:41:38.281 You mustn't, Alice. 01:41:41.783 --> 01:41:43.076 You mustn't. 01:41:47.789 --> 01:41:49.932 As for understanding, I understand you're 01:41:49.933 --> 01:41:52.127 the best man I ever met or ever likely to. 01:41:52.586 --> 01:41:54.706 And if you go, God knows why I 01:41:54.707 --> 01:41:57.533 suppose, though as God's my witness... 01:41:57.633 --> 01:41:59.885 God's kept deadly quiet about it. 01:42:00.594 --> 01:42:02.873 And if any one wants to know my opinion 01:42:02.874 --> 01:42:04.640 of the King and his Council... 01:42:04.765 --> 01:42:07.434 he only has to ask for it. 01:42:11.021 --> 01:42:14.358 Why, it's a lion I married. 01:42:14.607 --> 01:42:16.400 A lion. A lion. 01:42:22.323 --> 01:42:24.575 This is good. 01:42:27.286 --> 01:42:28.663 It's very good. 01:42:29.455 --> 01:42:31.165 Sorry, Sir Thomas. 01:42:31.624 --> 01:42:33.776 - Oh, for pity's sake. - Time's up, sir. 01:42:33.876 --> 01:42:34.910 But one more minute. 01:42:34.911 --> 01:42:36.696 You don't know what you're asking. 01:42:36.796 --> 01:42:38.656 - Come along, Miss. - For heaven's sake. 01:42:38.756 --> 01:42:40.508 Now, don't do that, sir. 01:42:43.427 --> 01:42:45.763 Now, madam, don't make trouble. 01:42:48.683 --> 01:42:51.017 Come along, please, Lady Alice. 01:42:54.896 --> 01:42:57.232 Take your muddy paws off me. 01:42:57.774 --> 01:43:00.860 Filthy, stinking, gutter-fed, turnkey. 01:43:01.611 --> 01:43:03.905 I'll see you suffer for this. 01:43:05.156 --> 01:43:06.408 Goodbye. 01:43:21.548 --> 01:43:23.924 You must understand my position, sir. 01:43:24.258 --> 01:43:27.887 I'm a plain, simple man and I just want to keep out of trouble. 01:43:37.771 --> 01:43:42.401 Dear Lord Jesus, my soul Saviour, clear my wits. 01:43:43.736 --> 01:43:48.032 Dear Lady, Blessed Mother of God, comfort my wife and daughter... 01:43:48.991 --> 01:43:51.035 and forgive me for them. 01:44:55.514 --> 01:44:57.437 Sir Thomas More, though you have 01:44:57.438 --> 01:44:59.960 heinously offended the King's majesty... 01:45:00.060 --> 01:45:02.513 we hope that if you'll even now fore 01:45:02.514 --> 01:45:05.232 think and repent of obstinate opinion... 01:45:05.649 --> 01:45:08.442 you may still taste his gracious pardon. 01:45:09.819 --> 01:45:11.696 My lords, I thank you. 01:45:12.446 --> 01:45:14.932 As for the matters you may charge me with... 01:45:15.032 --> 01:45:18.811 I fear from my present weakness, that neither my wit... 01:45:18.911 --> 01:45:21.163 nor my memory will serve... 01:45:21.789 --> 01:45:23.791 to make sufficient answer. 01:45:25.084 --> 01:45:27.378 I should be glad to sit down. 01:45:27.545 --> 01:45:29.297 A chair for the prisoner. 01:45:43.768 --> 01:45:46.004 Master Secretary Cromwell, have you the charge? 01:45:46.104 --> 01:45:48.523 - I have, my lord. - Then read the charge. 01:45:52.235 --> 01:45:55.514 "That you did wilfully and maliciously deny and deprive... 01:45:55.614 --> 01:45:59.451 "our liege, Lord Henry, of his undoubted certain title... 01:45:59.701 --> 01:46:02.621 "Supreme Head of the Church in England." 01:46:04.122 --> 01:46:07.417 But, I have never denied this title. 01:46:09.794 --> 01:46:13.632 At Westminster Hall, at Lambeth, and again at Richmond... 01:46:13.757 --> 01:46:16.258 you stubbornly refused the oath. 01:46:16.425 --> 01:46:17.743 Was this no denial? 01:46:17.843 --> 01:46:19.929 No, this was silence. 01:46:20.262 --> 01:46:23.599 And for my silence, I am punished with imprisonment. 01:46:24.892 --> 01:46:26.633 Why have I been called again? 01:46:26.634 --> 01:46:29.104 On a charge of high treason, Sir Thomas. 01:46:29.897 --> 01:46:32.942 For which the punishment is not imprisonment. 01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:34.443 Death... 01:46:34.985 --> 01:46:37.363 comes for us all, my lords. 01:46:37.655 --> 01:46:39.849 Yes, even for kings he comes. 01:46:39.949 --> 01:46:43.035 The death of kings is not in question, Sir Thomas. 01:46:43.285 --> 01:46:46.330 Nor mine, I trust, until I'm proven guilty. 01:46:46.455 --> 01:46:49.858 Your life lies in your own hands, Thomas, as it always has. 01:46:49.958 --> 01:46:51.793 Is that so, my lord? 01:46:52.418 --> 01:46:54.170 Then I'll keep a good grip on it. 01:47:01.135 --> 01:47:02.720 So, Sir Thomas... 01:47:03.304 --> 01:47:05.348 you stand on your silence? 01:47:06.015 --> 01:47:07.183 I do. 01:47:07.934 --> 01:47:10.019 But, gentlemen of the jury... 01:47:10.812 --> 01:47:13.606 there are many kinds of silence. 01:47:14.065 --> 01:47:17.193 Consider first the silence of a man when he is dead. 01:47:17.527 --> 01:47:20.680 Suppose we go into the room where he is laid out and we listen. 01:47:20.780 --> 01:47:21.948 What do we hear? 01:47:23.449 --> 01:47:24.741 Silence. 01:47:25.200 --> 01:47:28.328 What does it betoken, this silence? 01:47:28.912 --> 01:47:31.582 Nothing. This is silence pure and simple. 01:47:31.915 --> 01:47:33.692 But let us take another case. 01:47:33.792 --> 01:47:36.653 Suppose I were to take a dagger from my sleeve... 01:47:36.753 --> 01:47:38.739 and make to kill the prisoner with it. 01:47:38.839 --> 01:47:40.949 And my lordships there, instead of crying 01:47:40.950 --> 01:47:43.160 out for me to stop, maintain their silence. 01:47:43.260 --> 01:47:45.178 That would betoken. 01:47:45.470 --> 01:47:48.807 It would betoken a willingness that I should do it. 01:47:49.016 --> 01:47:51.935 And under the law, they would be guilty with me. 01:47:52.895 --> 01:47:56.607 So silence can, according to the circumstances... 01:47:57.524 --> 01:47:58.649 speak. 01:47:59.317 --> 01:48:01.877 Let us consider now the circumstances 01:48:01.878 --> 01:48:03.696 of the prisoner's silence. 01:48:04.322 --> 01:48:06.261 The oath was put to loyal subjects all 01:48:06.262 --> 01:48:08.100 over the country who all declared... 01:48:08.200 --> 01:48:10.353 His Grace's title to be just and good. 01:48:10.453 --> 01:48:13.539 But when it came to the prisoner, he refused. 01:48:15.458 --> 01:48:17.793 He calls this "silence." 01:48:18.961 --> 01:48:21.714 Yet, is there a man in this court... 01:48:22.506 --> 01:48:25.468 Is there a man in this country... 01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:30.014 who does not know, Sir Thomas More's opinion of this title? 01:48:32.682 --> 01:48:34.517 Yet, how can this be? 01:48:34.893 --> 01:48:37.854 Because this silence betokened... 01:48:38.355 --> 01:48:43.276 nay, this silence was not silence at all, but most eloquent denial. 01:48:45.820 --> 01:48:47.072 Not so. 01:48:48.990 --> 01:48:50.742 Not so, Master Secretary. 01:48:53.536 --> 01:48:56.857 The maxim of the law is, "Silence gives consent." 01:48:56.957 --> 01:48:58.680 If, therefore, you wish to construe 01:48:58.681 --> 01:49:00.068 what my silence betokened... 01:49:00.168 --> 01:49:04.381 you must construe that I consented, not that I denied. 01:49:05.674 --> 01:49:08.492 Is that in fact what the world construes from it? 01:49:08.592 --> 01:49:10.087 Do you pretend that is what you 01:49:10.088 --> 01:49:11.871 wish the world to construe from it? 01:49:11.971 --> 01:49:15.266 The world must construe according to its wits. 01:49:15.432 --> 01:49:18.686 This court must construe according to the law. 01:49:28.237 --> 01:49:31.198 My lords, I wish to call, Sir Richard Rich. 01:49:32.866 --> 01:49:35.619 Richard Rich, come into court. 01:49:35.911 --> 01:49:37.580 Richard Rich. 01:49:58.892 --> 01:50:00.590 "I do swear the evidence I'll give 01:50:00.591 --> 01:50:02.587 before the court shall be the truth... 01:50:02.687 --> 01:50:05.048 "the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." 01:50:05.148 --> 01:50:06.858 "So help me God," sir. 01:50:07.275 --> 01:50:08.693 "So help me God." 01:50:11.487 --> 01:50:15.240 Now Rich, on May 12, you were at the Tower? 01:50:15.532 --> 01:50:17.226 - I was. - For what purpose? 01:50:17.326 --> 01:50:19.603 I was sent to carry away the prisoner's books. 01:50:19.703 --> 01:50:21.939 - Did you talk with the prisoner? - Yes. 01:50:22.039 --> 01:50:24.775 Did you talk of the King's supremacy of the Church? 01:50:24.875 --> 01:50:25.918 Yes. 01:50:26.210 --> 01:50:27.836 What did you say? 01:50:28.503 --> 01:50:31.573 I said to him, "Supposing there were an Act of Parliament... 01:50:31.673 --> 01:50:34.326 "to say that I, Richard Rich, were to be king. 01:50:34.426 --> 01:50:37.346 "Would not you, Master More, take me for king?" 01:50:37.554 --> 01:50:39.014 "That I would," he said. 01:50:42.768 --> 01:50:45.062 "For then you would be king." 01:50:47.481 --> 01:50:48.523 Yes? 01:50:49.815 --> 01:50:53.319 Then he said, "But I will put you a higher case. 01:50:54.028 --> 01:50:56.723 "How, if there were an Act of Parliament, 01:50:56.724 --> 01:50:59.033 to say that God should not be God?" 01:50:59.408 --> 01:51:01.441 This is true and then you said... 01:51:01.442 --> 01:51:02.442 Silence. 01:51:02.745 --> 01:51:03.955 Continue. 01:51:06.624 --> 01:51:10.503 But then I said, "I will put you a middle case. 01:51:11.003 --> 01:51:13.656 "Parliament has made our King Head of the Church. 01:51:13.756 --> 01:51:15.758 "Why will you not accept him?" 01:51:19.178 --> 01:51:20.263 Well? 01:51:23.683 --> 01:51:27.477 And then he said, "Parliament had not the power to do it." 01:51:29.229 --> 01:51:31.481 Repeat the prisoner's words. 01:51:33.275 --> 01:51:34.359 He said: 01:51:35.777 --> 01:51:38.280 "Parliament had not the competence." 01:51:40.865 --> 01:51:42.742 Or words to that effect. 01:51:43.034 --> 01:51:45.203 He denied the title. 01:51:45.537 --> 01:51:46.872 He did. 01:51:55.088 --> 01:52:00.009 In good faith, Rich, I am sorrier for your perjury than my peril. 01:52:00.134 --> 01:52:02.761 - Do you deny this? - Yes. 01:52:03.345 --> 01:52:05.138 You know if I were a man who heeded 01:52:05.139 --> 01:52:06.582 not the taking of an oath... 01:52:06.682 --> 01:52:08.142 I need not be here. 01:52:08.726 --> 01:52:11.228 Now, I will take an oath. 01:52:13.063 --> 01:52:15.941 If what Master Rich has said is true... 01:52:16.358 --> 01:52:20.321 I pray I may never see God in the face. 01:52:21.363 --> 01:52:25.075 Which I would not say, were it otherwise, for anything on earth. 01:52:25.201 --> 01:52:27.912 - That is not evidence. - Is it probable... 01:52:28.704 --> 01:52:33.274 Is it probable that after so long a silence on this... 01:52:33.374 --> 01:52:35.944 the very point so urgently sought of me... 01:52:36.044 --> 01:52:39.839 I should open my mind to such a man as that? 01:52:41.424 --> 01:52:44.802 Sir Richard, do you wish to modify your testimony? 01:52:45.929 --> 01:52:47.038 No, my lord. 01:52:47.138 --> 01:52:49.749 Is there anything you wish to take away from it? 01:52:49.849 --> 01:52:50.959 No, my lord. 01:52:51.059 --> 01:52:52.936 Have you anything to add? 01:52:53.228 --> 01:52:54.520 No, my lord. 01:52:55.813 --> 01:52:59.067 - Have you, Sir Thomas? - To what purpose? 01:53:03.029 --> 01:53:04.697 I am a dead man. 01:53:08.408 --> 01:53:10.327 You have your will of me. 01:53:11.453 --> 01:53:13.789 Then the witness may withdraw. 01:53:21.129 --> 01:53:24.341 There is one question I would like to ask the witness. 01:53:26.885 --> 01:53:30.097 That's a chain of office you're wearing. May I see it? 01:53:38.146 --> 01:53:39.523 The Red Dragon. 01:53:39.856 --> 01:53:41.048 What's this? 01:53:41.148 --> 01:53:44.277 Sir Richard is appointed Attorney General for Wales. 01:53:44.485 --> 01:53:45.820 For Wales. 01:53:47.363 --> 01:53:49.949 Why Richard, it profits a man nothing 01:53:49.950 --> 01:53:52.535 to give his soul for the whole world. 01:53:54.412 --> 01:53:55.913 But for Wales. 01:54:04.297 --> 01:54:05.798 My lords. I've done. 01:54:06.883 --> 01:54:09.510 The jury will retire and consider the evidence. 01:54:11.596 --> 01:54:14.080 Considering the evidence, it shouldn't 01:54:14.081 --> 01:54:16.182 be necessary for them to retire. 01:54:18.685 --> 01:54:20.353 Is it necessary? 01:54:27.152 --> 01:54:29.905 Then is the prisoner guilty or not guilty? 01:54:35.076 --> 01:54:36.745 Guilty, my lord. 01:54:47.255 --> 01:54:51.050 Sir Thomas More, you have been found guilty of high treason. 01:54:51.175 --> 01:54:53.636 - The sentence of the court... - My lords. 01:54:54.428 --> 01:54:58.390 When I was practising the law, the manner was to ask the prisoner... 01:54:58.515 --> 01:55:02.436 before pronouncing sentence, if he had anything to say. 01:55:02.811 --> 01:55:04.605 Have you anything to say? 01:55:05.272 --> 01:55:06.315 Yes. 01:55:17.451 --> 01:55:20.538 Since the court has determined to condemn me... 01:55:21.664 --> 01:55:23.415 God knoweth how... 01:55:24.499 --> 01:55:27.794 I will now discharge my mind... 01:55:28.378 --> 01:55:32.715 concerning the indictment and the King's title. 01:55:36.261 --> 01:55:40.765 The indictment is grounded in an Act of Parliament... 01:55:41.140 --> 01:55:43.960 which is directly repugnant... 01:55:44.060 --> 01:55:47.730 to the law of God and His Holy Church. 01:55:47.897 --> 01:55:52.135 The supreme government of which no temper able person... 01:55:52.235 --> 01:55:56.406 may by any law presume to take upon him. 01:55:57.282 --> 01:55:58.991 This was granted... 01:55:59.741 --> 01:56:01.243 by the mouth... 01:56:01.994 --> 01:56:04.538 of our Saviour, Christ Himself... 01:56:05.414 --> 01:56:09.960 to St. Peter and the bishops of Rome whilst He lived... 01:56:10.669 --> 01:56:13.964 and was personally present... 01:56:16.383 --> 01:56:18.010 here on earth. 01:56:20.262 --> 01:56:24.099 It is therefore insufficient in law... 01:56:24.725 --> 01:56:27.686 to charge any Christian to obey it. 01:56:29.146 --> 01:56:30.631 And more than this... 01:56:30.731 --> 01:56:35.568 the immunity of the Church is promised both in Magna Carta... 01:56:35.693 --> 01:56:39.280 and in the King's own coronation oath. 01:56:41.115 --> 01:56:43.743 Now, we plainly see you are malicious. 01:56:44.243 --> 01:56:45.494 Not so. 01:56:47.914 --> 01:56:49.999 I am the King's true subject... 01:56:50.875 --> 01:56:54.503 and I pray for him and all the realm. 01:56:56.297 --> 01:56:57.882 I do none harm. 01:56:59.050 --> 01:57:00.927 I say none harm. 01:57:01.928 --> 01:57:04.222 I think none harm. 01:57:06.307 --> 01:57:09.351 And if this be not enough to keep a man alive... 01:57:09.768 --> 01:57:13.355 then in good faith, I long not to live. 01:57:15.440 --> 01:57:16.733 Nevertheless... 01:57:17.692 --> 01:57:22.264 it is not for the supremacy that you have sought my blood... 01:57:22.364 --> 01:57:26.576 but because I would not bend to the marriage. 01:57:35.001 --> 01:57:38.129 You have been found guilty of high treason. 01:57:38.964 --> 01:57:42.007 The sentence of the court is that you be taken... 01:57:42.132 --> 01:57:44.051 to the Tower of London... 01:57:46.178 --> 01:57:49.515 until the day hence to the appointment... 01:57:50.516 --> 01:57:52.601 for your execution. 01:58:08.200 --> 01:58:11.453 I am commanded by the King to be brief... 01:58:12.204 --> 01:58:15.124 and since I am the King's obedient subject... 01:58:15.665 --> 01:58:17.208 brief I will be. 01:58:18.710 --> 01:58:21.963 I die His Majesty's good servant... 01:58:22.964 --> 01:58:24.549 but God's first. 01:58:31.389 --> 01:58:33.683 I forgive you, right readily. 01:58:39.731 --> 01:58:42.025 Be not afraid of your office. 01:58:42.442 --> 01:58:44.152 You send me to God. 01:58:46.613 --> 01:58:48.556 You're very sure of that, Sir Thomas? 01:58:48.656 --> 01:58:51.992 He will not refuse one who is so blithe to go to him. 01:59:14.765 --> 01:59:18.210 Thomas More's head was stuck on Traitor's Gate for a month. 01:59:18.310 --> 01:59:20.390 Then his daughter, Margaret, removed 01:59:20.391 --> 01:59:22.189 it and kept it until her death. 01:59:22.981 --> 01:59:26.901 Cromwell was beheaded for high treason five years after More. 01:59:27.401 --> 01:59:30.071 The Archbishop was burned at the stake. 01:59:30.696 --> 01:59:33.850 The Duke of Norfolk should have been executed for high treason... 01:59:33.950 --> 01:59:36.953 but the King died of syphilis the night before. 01:59:37.912 --> 01:59:40.831 Richard Rich became Chancellor of England... 01:59:41.457 --> 01:59:43.292 and died in his bed. 01:59:44.305 --> 01:59:50.561 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org