WEBVTT 00:06.000 --> 00:12.074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 05:03.840 --> 05:06.718 Every second bastard born is fathered by a priest. 05:12.240 --> 05:14.117 But in Utopia that couldn't be. 05:14.200 --> 05:15.189 For why? 05:15.280 --> 05:18.511 - For there the priests are very holy. - Therefore very few. 05:20.880 --> 05:23.030 Is it anything interesting, Matthew? 05:23.680 --> 05:27.036 - Bless you, sir. I don't know. - Bless you too, Matthew. 05:32.080 --> 05:34.469 To be sure, we have some holy priests in England. 05:34.560 --> 05:36.790 - Oh, name some. - Brother James. 05:37.360 --> 05:39.112 Man's a simpleton. 05:40.480 --> 05:42.198 It's from Cardinal Wolsey. 05:43.760 --> 05:44.988 What's he want? 05:45.560 --> 05:46.629 - Me. - When? 05:46.760 --> 05:47.590 Now. 05:47.760 --> 05:50.513 In Hampton Court? You won't be there by midnight. 05:51.240 --> 05:53.754 - The King's business. - Queen's business. 05:54.080 --> 05:56.275 Mistress Anne Boleyn's business. 05:56.400 --> 05:59.437 Well, it's all the Cardinal's business. 05:59.560 --> 06:03.599 That's very true. And when the Cardinal calls, you all come running, day or night. 06:03.680 --> 06:06.558 What is the man? A butcher's son. 06:06.840 --> 06:08.353 Chancellor of England, too. 06:08.440 --> 06:10.829 No, that's his office. What's the man? 06:11.680 --> 06:14.672 Surely, Your Grace, when a man rises so high and so swiftly... 06:14.760 --> 06:17.513 ...we must think he was misplaced in his origins. 06:18.960 --> 06:21.394 That, at least, was the opinion of Aristotle and... 06:22.560 --> 06:24.437 A butcher's son and looks it. 06:24.800 --> 06:27.030 His looks, yes, I give you his looks. 06:29.080 --> 06:31.071 What was that you said, Richard? 06:32.200 --> 06:34.111 Nothing, Sir Thomas, it was out of place. 06:35.520 --> 06:37.431 And Wolsey's still a butcher. 06:37.920 --> 06:41.276 And you're a member of the King's High Council, not an errand boy. 06:41.360 --> 06:42.952 That is why I must go. 06:43.400 --> 06:45.960 The Duke would go if the Cardinal called him. 06:46.680 --> 06:47.829 I might. 06:49.840 --> 06:51.592 I'll be back for breakfast. 06:52.480 --> 06:53.549 Go to bed. 06:55.080 --> 06:58.914 "Dear Lord, give us rest tonight, or if we must be wakeful, cheerful. 06:59.040 --> 07:03.318 "Careful only for our soul's salvation. For Christ's sake. Amen. " 07:04.640 --> 07:06.471 And bless our lord, the King. 07:07.440 --> 07:10.000 - "And bless our lord, the King. " - Amen! 07:10.080 --> 07:12.719 Excuse me, gentlemen. Goodnight, Your Grace. 07:17.400 --> 07:20.312 Keep clear of Wolsey, Thomas. He's a frightened man. 07:22.480 --> 07:25.119 - Who is that? - A young friend from Cambridge. 07:25.240 --> 07:28.198 - What's he want? - What do they all want? A position. 07:28.400 --> 07:31.278 - Can you give him a position? - Do you recommend him? 07:31.880 --> 07:32.869 No. 07:49.760 --> 07:51.671 - Sir Thomas. - No. 07:52.280 --> 07:54.350 - Did you recommend me? - No. 07:56.400 --> 07:58.709 Richard, I may have a position for you. 07:58.840 --> 08:02.799 - What? What position? - Not now, Richard. Tomorrow. 08:42.960 --> 08:44.473 For you all, boatman. 08:45.160 --> 08:46.434 Thank you, sir. 09:06.880 --> 09:09.713 Sir Thomas is here, Your Grace. Sir Thomas. 09:10.200 --> 09:11.519 Master Cromwell. 09:25.480 --> 09:28.836 You opposed me in the Council this morning, Thomas. 09:29.640 --> 09:30.959 Yes, Your Grace. 09:31.840 --> 09:34.877 - You were the only one. - Yes, Your Grace. 09:36.240 --> 09:37.434 You're a fool. 09:38.800 --> 09:41.473 Thank God there is only one fool on the Council. 09:45.120 --> 09:46.951 Why did you oppose me? 09:47.880 --> 09:49.836 I thought Your Grace was wrong. 09:51.400 --> 09:53.038 A matter of conscience. 09:55.120 --> 09:57.395 You're a constant regret to me, Thomas. 09:58.160 --> 10:00.549 If you could just see facts flat on... 10:00.640 --> 10:03.677 ...without that horrible moral squint. 10:04.840 --> 10:08.230 With a little common sense, you could have made a statesman. 10:14.480 --> 10:15.515 The King. 10:41.480 --> 10:44.517 Where's he been? Do you know? 10:45.520 --> 10:46.714 I, Your Grace? 10:47.600 --> 10:49.591 Spare me your discretion. 10:50.960 --> 10:54.794 He's been to play in the muck again. 10:56.960 --> 10:59.030 He's been to Mistress Anne Boleyn. 11:04.480 --> 11:08.109 More, are you going to help me? 11:10.680 --> 11:13.194 If Your Grace will be specific. 11:14.200 --> 11:17.397 You're a plodder! All right, we'll plod. 11:18.040 --> 11:21.077 The King wants a son. What are you going to do about it? 11:21.320 --> 11:25.199 I'm very sure the King needs no advice from me on what to do about it. 11:26.000 --> 11:29.310 Thomas, we're alone. I give you my word, there's no one here. 11:29.400 --> 11:31.709 I didn't suppose there was, Your Grace. 11:35.160 --> 11:38.709 Do you favor a change of dynasty? Do you think two Tudors are sufficient? 11:38.800 --> 11:39.949 For God's sake, Your Grace! 11:40.040 --> 11:43.396 Then he needs a son. I repeat, what are you going to do about it? 11:43.520 --> 11:44.714 I pray for it daily. 11:44.800 --> 11:46.995 God's death, he means it. 11:47.760 --> 11:50.877 That thing out there, at least she's fertile. 11:51.680 --> 11:54.194 - But she's not his wife. - No, Catherine's his wife... 11:54.280 --> 11:57.511 ...and she's barren as a brick. Are you going to pray for a miracle? 11:57.600 --> 11:59.113 There are precedents. 12:02.960 --> 12:06.396 All right. Good. Pray by all means. 12:07.640 --> 12:12.998 But in addition to prayer there is effort. And my effort is to secure a divorce. 12:16.480 --> 12:18.675 Have I your support, or have I not? 12:22.080 --> 12:25.789 The Pope gave a dispensation, so that the King might marry... 12:25.920 --> 12:28.388 ...his brother's widow for state reasons. 12:29.080 --> 12:34.234 We are to ask the Pope to dispense with his dispensation, also for state reasons? 12:34.320 --> 12:36.390 I don't like plodding, Thomas. Well? 12:36.480 --> 12:40.519 Then, clearly all we have to do is to approach His Holiness and ask him. 12:40.600 --> 12:43.637 I think we might influence the decision of His Holiness. 12:44.360 --> 12:45.395 By argument? 12:45.480 --> 12:49.189 Argument certainly. And pressure. 12:50.440 --> 12:54.513 Pressure, applied to the Church? The Church has its church property. 12:56.520 --> 12:57.635 Pressure. 13:04.040 --> 13:07.396 No, Your Grace, I'm not going to help you. 13:10.160 --> 13:13.277 Then goodnight, Master More. 13:16.480 --> 13:21.190 Let the dynasty die with Henry Vlll and we'll have dynastic wars again. 13:21.520 --> 13:24.592 Blood-witted barons ramping the country from end to end. 13:25.400 --> 13:28.836 Is that what you want? Very well. 13:29.880 --> 13:31.757 England needs an heir. 13:33.120 --> 13:37.272 Certain measures, perhaps regrettable... 13:37.960 --> 13:41.714 ...perhaps not, there's much in the Church which needs reformation, Thomas. 13:43.840 --> 13:47.753 All right, regrettable. But necessary to get us an heir. 13:49.920 --> 13:53.754 Now, explain how you, as a councilor of England, can obstruct these measures... 13:53.840 --> 13:56.593 ...for the sake of your own private conscience. 13:58.640 --> 14:02.269 I think that when statesmen forsake their own private conscience... 14:02.400 --> 14:04.834 ...for the sake of their public duties... 14:04.960 --> 14:08.475 ...they lead their country by a short route to chaos. 14:12.320 --> 14:14.880 And we shall have my prayers to fall back on. 14:15.560 --> 14:19.599 You'd like that, wouldn't you? To govern the country with prayers? 14:20.120 --> 14:21.314 Yes, I should. 14:22.120 --> 14:24.190 I'd like to be there when you try. 14:26.440 --> 14:28.271 Who will wear this after me? 14:29.800 --> 14:34.032 Who's our next chancellor? You? Fisher? Suffolk? 14:34.480 --> 14:36.550 - Fisher for me. - Aye, but for the King? 14:36.960 --> 14:40.032 What about my secretary, Master Cromwell? 14:40.680 --> 14:44.559 Cromwell. He's a very able man. 14:45.960 --> 14:46.756 But? 14:47.480 --> 14:49.675 Me rather than Cromwell. 14:50.440 --> 14:52.351 Then, come down to earth. 14:55.080 --> 14:56.274 Until you do... 14:58.640 --> 15:00.471 ...you and I are enemies. 15:02.280 --> 15:03.759 As Your Grace wishes. 15:06.560 --> 15:07.913 As God wills. 15:08.560 --> 15:10.039 Perhaps, Your Grace. 15:11.840 --> 15:14.877 More! You should have been a cleric! 15:15.680 --> 15:17.398 Like yourself, Your Grace? 15:30.760 --> 15:32.318 Goodnight, Sir Thomas. 15:39.160 --> 15:40.229 Sir Thomas. 15:41.080 --> 15:42.195 Sir Thomas. 15:43.280 --> 15:44.395 Sir Thomas. 15:46.640 --> 15:49.757 - What's this? - From some grateful poor folk, in Leicester. 15:50.480 --> 15:53.597 - Leicester? - You do more good than you know, sir. 15:55.720 --> 15:59.713 My daughter has a case, sir, in the Court of Poor Man's Causes. 16:01.400 --> 16:02.799 Baked apples, sir. 16:03.360 --> 16:04.998 To sweeten my judgment. 16:05.720 --> 16:08.951 I'll give your daughter the same judgment I would give my own. 16:09.040 --> 16:11.349 A fair one, quickly. 16:11.760 --> 16:12.909 Bless you, sir. 16:13.000 --> 16:16.515 I understand. Yes. I'll read it. Yes. Thank you. 16:22.000 --> 16:23.672 Good evening, Sir Thomas. 16:24.600 --> 16:26.750 - I'll read it. - It's an awkward case. 16:26.840 --> 16:29.035 - I could illuminate it for you... - I'll read it. 16:29.120 --> 16:30.678 Just a moment or two... 16:32.680 --> 16:33.669 Boat! 16:34.280 --> 16:34.792 Sir? 16:56.600 --> 16:57.669 Chelsea, sir? 16:57.760 --> 16:58.749 Chelsea. 16:59.400 --> 17:01.709 I expect you'll make it worth my while, sir. 17:01.800 --> 17:05.076 - You've got a license? - Bless you, yes sir, I've got a license. 17:05.160 --> 17:07.627 - Well then, the fares are fixed. - They are, sir. 17:07.760 --> 17:10.273 Hampton to Chelsea downstream, a penny halfpenny. 17:10.359 --> 17:12.430 Chelsea to Hampton upstream, a penny halfpenny. 17:12.520 --> 17:14.875 Whoever makes the regulations doesn't row a boat. 17:15.359 --> 17:18.750 No. Three pence if you get me home for breakfast. 17:18.839 --> 17:20.068 Thank you, sir. 17:47.040 --> 17:48.359 A nice cup, sir. 17:50.120 --> 17:50.996 Yes. 18:07.960 --> 18:09.598 That's worth money, sir. 18:45.800 --> 18:47.028 Mind a way, sir. 18:53.400 --> 18:54.628 Thank you, sir. 19:01.560 --> 19:03.676 - Have you been here all night? - Yes. 19:05.200 --> 19:07.430 You said there was a post? 19:08.040 --> 19:13.239 Yes. I'll offer you a post, with a house, a servant and £50 a year. 19:13.560 --> 19:14.629 What post? 19:15.280 --> 19:16.952 At the new school. 19:19.720 --> 19:20.789 A teacher! 19:21.760 --> 19:24.718 Richard, no one's going to give you a place at court. 19:26.360 --> 19:28.749 Master Cromwell says he'll do something for me. 19:30.400 --> 19:31.389 Cromwell? 19:32.720 --> 19:35.234 Well, if you know Cromwell you don't need my help. 19:36.640 --> 19:37.755 Sir Thomas? 19:40.280 --> 19:44.034 If only you knew how much, much rather, I had your help than his. 19:46.040 --> 19:47.712 Not to a place at court. 19:48.600 --> 19:49.635 Why not? 19:52.000 --> 19:52.876 Look. 19:54.360 --> 19:56.828 - What is it? - It's a bribe! 19:59.480 --> 20:02.472 "I am the gift of Averil Machin. " 20:03.800 --> 20:06.951 And Averil Machin has a lawsuit in the Court of Requests. 20:07.800 --> 20:12.351 Italian silver. Take it. No joke. 20:14.880 --> 20:15.949 Thank you. 20:18.960 --> 20:20.393 What will you do with it? 20:21.160 --> 20:21.797 Sell it. 20:21.880 --> 20:24.110 - And buy what? - A decent gown! 20:25.280 --> 20:27.396 But Richard, that's a little bribe. 20:28.120 --> 20:33.353 At court they offer you all sorts of things, home, manor houses, coats of arms. 20:34.040 --> 20:36.474 A man should go where he won't be tempted. 20:37.480 --> 20:42.110 Why not be a teacher? You'd be a fine teacher. Perhaps a great one. 20:43.200 --> 20:47.557 - If I was, who would know it? - You! Your pupils. Your friends. 20:47.920 --> 20:50.593 God. Not a bad public, that. 20:54.440 --> 20:56.237 And a quiet life. 20:56.560 --> 20:59.358 You say that. You come from talking with the Cardinal. 20:59.440 --> 21:01.749 Yes, talking with the Cardinal. 21:02.960 --> 21:06.316 It's eating your heart out, isn't it? The high affairs of state. 21:06.400 --> 21:07.549 The divorce? 21:08.800 --> 21:09.915 Boatman! 21:10.400 --> 21:11.230 Sir? 21:11.360 --> 21:13.874 - Take this gentleman to the New Inn! - Right, sir. 21:13.960 --> 21:15.279 Sir Thomas? 21:16.280 --> 21:17.349 Thank you. 21:18.720 --> 21:20.278 Be a teacher. 21:30.360 --> 21:31.236 - Matthew. - Sir. 21:31.320 --> 21:33.151 - Lady Alice in bed? - Yes, sir. 21:33.640 --> 21:35.119 - Lady Margaret? - No, sir. 21:35.560 --> 21:37.391 The Master Roper's here, sir. 21:37.480 --> 21:39.357 At this hour? Who let him in? 21:40.120 --> 21:42.190 He's a hard man to keep out, sir. 22:04.720 --> 22:06.711 Will wants to marry me, Father. 22:07.560 --> 22:09.198 Well, he can't marry you. 22:10.640 --> 22:12.551 Sir Thomas, I'm called to the Bar. 22:12.640 --> 22:15.154 Oh, congratulations, Roper. 22:15.480 --> 22:17.755 My family may not be at the palace, but in the city... 22:18.040 --> 22:20.190 There's nothing wrong with your family, Will. 22:21.920 --> 22:23.911 There's not much wrong with you. 22:25.080 --> 22:27.071 Except you seem to need a clock. 22:27.720 --> 22:29.358 I can buy a clock, sir. 22:29.600 --> 22:31.079 Roper, the answer is no... 22:31.160 --> 22:33.628 ...and will be no as long as you're a heretic. 22:33.720 --> 22:35.870 Now, that's a word I don't like, Sir Thomas! 22:35.960 --> 22:37.837 It's not a likeable word or thing. 22:37.920 --> 22:41.390 The Church is heretical! Dr. Luther's proved that to my satisfaction! 22:41.480 --> 22:43.152 Luther is an excommunicate! 22:43.240 --> 22:46.038 From a heretic Church! Church? It's a shop! 22:46.320 --> 22:49.551 - Salvation by the shilling! And divorces! - Will, no! 22:49.720 --> 22:52.712 - What I know, I'll say! - You've no sense of the place! 22:53.840 --> 22:55.558 He's no sense of the time. 22:56.120 --> 22:57.678 Now listen well. 22:58.040 --> 23:00.474 Two years ago you were a passionate churchman. 23:00.560 --> 23:02.437 Now you're a passionate Lutheran. 23:02.520 --> 23:05.432 We must just pray that when your head's finished turning... 23:05.520 --> 23:07.636 ...your face is to the front again. 23:09.600 --> 23:12.114 - Is your horse here? - No, sir, I walked. 23:13.080 --> 23:15.719 Well, take a horse from the stables and get back home. 23:17.560 --> 23:18.549 Go along. 23:20.120 --> 23:21.473 May I come again? 23:23.720 --> 23:25.597 Yes. Soon. 23:30.920 --> 23:32.478 Is that final, Father? 23:32.720 --> 23:35.439 As long as he's a heretic, Meg, that's absolute. 23:39.200 --> 23:40.872 What did Wolsey want? 23:44.000 --> 23:45.513 Nice boy, young Will. 23:47.760 --> 23:50.069 Terribly strong principles, though. 23:51.120 --> 23:52.553 Clumsy, too. 23:53.320 --> 23:56.039 - You're very pensive. - You're very gay. 23:56.600 --> 23:58.033 Was it the divorce? 23:59.640 --> 24:00.629 To bed. 24:01.520 --> 24:05.718 They're a cantankerous lot, the Ropers. Always swimming against the stream. 24:05.920 --> 24:07.990 Old Roper was just the same... 24:09.480 --> 24:11.471 You don't want to talk about it. 24:12.360 --> 24:13.236 No. 24:18.080 --> 24:21.755 - I'm sorry you were awakened, chick. - I wasn't sleeping very deeply. 24:22.200 --> 24:23.713 What did Wolsey want? 24:25.800 --> 24:28.314 - Will Roper's been. - Will Roper? 24:28.560 --> 24:31.313 Yes, he's been here all night. He wants to marry Meg. 24:31.400 --> 24:33.834 - Why you don't beat that girl I... - No. 24:34.360 --> 24:37.830 She's full of education and it's a delicate commodity. 24:38.520 --> 24:39.748 Goodnight, Meg. 24:40.040 --> 24:41.109 Goodnight. 24:45.120 --> 24:47.839 Marry Meg. A lawyer's son. 24:47.920 --> 24:49.672 Well, she's a lawyer's daughter. 24:52.960 --> 24:57.112 Norfolk spoke of you for Chancellor of England before he left. 24:57.960 --> 24:59.791 Well, he's a dangerous friend then. 25:00.840 --> 25:02.910 Wolsey's chancellor, God help him. 25:03.200 --> 25:05.270 But Norfolk said, if Wolsey fell, you... 25:05.360 --> 25:09.148 If Wolsey fell, the splash would swamp a few small boats like ours. 25:09.640 --> 25:10.629 No. 25:11.200 --> 25:14.078 There'll be no new chancellors while Wolsey lives. 26:02.200 --> 26:04.794 The Duke of Norfolk, Earl Marshal of England. 26:18.880 --> 26:21.110 Have you any message for His Majesty? 26:23.480 --> 26:25.038 If I had served God... 26:25.440 --> 26:28.079 ...one half so well as I've served my King... 26:29.240 --> 26:33.313 ...God would not have left me here, to die in this place. 26:35.040 --> 26:38.828 Thank God you're dying here. The King would have you die in the Tower. 27:02.120 --> 27:05.032 "I am straightly charged by the King himself... 27:05.800 --> 27:09.270 "... here openly to declare how much all England... 27:09.400 --> 27:11.470 "... is beholden to this man. 27:11.880 --> 27:16.510 "And how worthy he is to have the highest room in the realm. 27:17.000 --> 27:20.834 "And how dearly the King's grace doth love and trust him... 27:21.760 --> 27:23.990 "... not only for much good council... 27:24.400 --> 27:27.870 "... deliberate council, but for better council yet... 27:28.600 --> 27:31.194 "... that which is privy to the King's person. 27:32.320 --> 27:34.311 "This same Sir Thomas More... 27:34.600 --> 27:37.239 "... here made before you all to be... 27:37.800 --> 27:40.473 "... Lord Chancellor of the Realm. " 29:16.000 --> 29:17.479 Calm yourself, Matthew. 29:17.560 --> 29:19.152 Fetch Lady Alice. 29:31.040 --> 29:32.678 That's very well. 29:37.000 --> 29:38.752 My lady! The King! 30:41.480 --> 30:43.550 Now remember, the visit's a surprise. 30:43.640 --> 30:45.437 But he'll know we're expecting him... 30:45.520 --> 30:48.159 It's a very great honor. One friend calling on another. 30:48.240 --> 30:49.832 What's he really coming for? 30:49.920 --> 30:52.195 To talk about the divorce. He wants an answer. 30:52.280 --> 30:54.635 - But he's had his answer. - He wants another. 30:54.720 --> 30:55.675 Thomas! 31:02.760 --> 31:06.514 Your Majesty does my house more honor than I fear my household will bear. 31:06.600 --> 31:08.716 No ceremony Thomas, no ceremony! 31:08.840 --> 31:11.308 A passing fancy. I happened to be on the river. 31:11.400 --> 31:12.674 Look. Mud. 31:16.520 --> 31:19.398 By heaven, what an evening. 31:20.320 --> 31:23.118 Lady Alice, I fear we came upon you unexpectedly. 31:23.200 --> 31:25.668 Yes, Your Grace. Well, no, Your Grace. 31:25.960 --> 31:28.110 Well, that is, we are ready to entertain... 31:28.200 --> 31:30.509 This is my daughter Margaret, sire. 31:32.200 --> 31:34.919 She's not yet had the honor to meet Your Grace. 31:35.120 --> 31:38.112 Why Margaret, they told me you were a scholar. 31:38.880 --> 31:40.518 Answer, Margaret. 31:40.720 --> 31:43.359 Among women, I pass for one, Your Grace. 32:13.120 --> 32:14.792 Can you dance, too? 32:15.480 --> 32:16.993 Not well, Your Grace. 32:19.040 --> 32:21.110 Well, I dance superlatively! 32:22.000 --> 32:24.309 That's a dancer's leg, Margaret! 32:36.880 --> 32:39.030 Lady Alice, the river's given me an appetite. 32:39.120 --> 32:42.157 If Your Grace would share a very simple supper. 32:42.240 --> 32:44.231 It would please me. Lead them in. 32:44.320 --> 32:45.719 Thomas and I will follow. 32:45.800 --> 32:47.119 Matthew. 32:47.520 --> 32:49.715 My lords and gentlemen! 32:55.120 --> 32:56.348 Margaret? 32:56.640 --> 32:57.959 Your Grace? 32:58.040 --> 32:59.598 Do you like music? 32:59.720 --> 33:01.233 Yes, Your Grace. 33:01.720 --> 33:03.472 They'll play to you. 33:26.160 --> 33:28.549 Now, listen to this. 33:31.200 --> 33:32.474 Sit down. 33:34.200 --> 33:36.395 Be seated. No courtship, Thomas. 33:40.600 --> 33:42.795 You're my friend, are you not? 33:43.320 --> 33:44.309 Your Majesty. 33:44.400 --> 33:46.834 Thank God I have a friend for my chancellor. 33:46.920 --> 33:49.832 Readier to befriend, I trust, than he was to be chancellor. 33:49.920 --> 33:52.036 My own knowledge of my poor abilities... 33:52.120 --> 33:54.315 I will judge of your abilities. 33:55.200 --> 33:56.189 Thomas? 33:59.200 --> 34:01.998 You know that Wolsey named you for chancellor? 34:03.040 --> 34:07.079 Before he died, Wolsey named you, and Wolsey was no fool. 34:07.640 --> 34:11.110 He was a statesman of incomparable ability, Your Grace. 34:13.320 --> 34:14.514 Was he? 34:15.880 --> 34:17.199 Was he so? 34:18.239 --> 34:20.196 Then, why did he fail me? 34:22.719 --> 34:24.472 It was villainy then. 34:25.040 --> 34:27.349 Yes, villainy. Secret opposition, secret. 34:27.440 --> 34:30.716 But deliberate, willful, meditated opposition. 34:30.800 --> 34:33.234 Wanted to be pope to master me, Wolsey. 34:33.320 --> 34:34.753 What is it? Thought! 34:34.840 --> 34:39.118 Because I'm simple and plain and deal with every man straightforwardly. 34:39.199 --> 34:42.954 Because of that I say, do they take me for a simpleton? 34:47.719 --> 34:52.315 Wolsey was a proud man, Thomas. 34:53.360 --> 34:54.873 Pride right through. 34:55.120 --> 34:56.473 And he failed me. 34:57.600 --> 35:00.797 Failed me in the one thing that matters, then as now. 35:04.440 --> 35:05.509 But look. 35:06.440 --> 35:07.555 Be seated. 35:12.720 --> 35:14.039 What an evening. 35:15.200 --> 35:17.236 A man could fight a lion. 35:17.640 --> 35:19.676 Some men could, Your Grace. 35:20.960 --> 35:22.075 Thomas... 35:23.160 --> 35:25.720 ...touching this matter of my divorce. 35:26.120 --> 35:28.270 Have you thought of it since we last spoke? 35:28.360 --> 35:29.395 Of little else. 35:29.480 --> 35:31.277 Then you see your way clear to me? 35:31.360 --> 35:34.113 That you should put away Queen Catherine, sire? 35:34.360 --> 35:36.351 Alas, as I think of it, I see so clearly... 35:36.440 --> 35:39.432 ...that I cannot come with Your Grace, that my endeavor is... 35:39.520 --> 35:40.839 ...not to think of it at all. 35:40.920 --> 35:43.229 Then you haven't thought enough! 35:50.120 --> 35:51.269 Lilac. 35:52.760 --> 35:54.398 We have them at Hampton. 35:55.280 --> 35:57.032 Not so fine as this, though. 35:59.280 --> 36:01.714 I'm in an excellent frame of mind. 36:06.200 --> 36:09.829 Thomas, you must consider, I stand in peril of my soul. 36:09.920 --> 36:11.353 It was no marriage. 36:11.880 --> 36:14.917 I have lived in incest with my brother's widow. 36:15.840 --> 36:20.675 Leviticus: "Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife. " 36:20.760 --> 36:22.990 Leviticus. Chapter 18, verse 16. 36:23.080 --> 36:24.877 Yes, Your Grace. But Deuteronomy... 36:24.960 --> 36:26.871 Deuteronomy is ambiguous! 36:26.960 --> 36:29.520 Your Grace, I'm not fitted to meddle in these matters. 36:29.600 --> 36:31.636 To me, it seems a matter for the Holy See... 36:31.720 --> 36:35.315 Thomas, does a man need a pope to tell him where he's sinned? 36:36.920 --> 36:38.353 It was a sin. 36:39.160 --> 36:40.832 God's punished me. 36:41.800 --> 36:43.199 I've no son. 36:44.600 --> 36:46.352 Son after son she's borne me. 36:46.440 --> 36:49.318 All dead at birth, or dead within the month. 36:49.480 --> 36:52.074 I never saw the hand of God so clear in anything. 36:52.160 --> 36:54.230 It's my bounden duty to put away the Queen. 36:54.320 --> 36:57.756 And all the popes, back to Peter, shall not come between me and my duty! 37:00.200 --> 37:02.589 How is it that you cannot see? Everyone else does. 37:02.680 --> 37:05.672 Then, why does Your Grace need my poor support? 37:06.160 --> 37:07.513 Because you're honest. 37:08.000 --> 37:10.719 And what is more to the purpose, you're known to be honest. 37:10.800 --> 37:13.234 Those like Norfolk follow me because I wear the crown. 37:13.320 --> 37:16.630 Those like Cromwell follow because they're jackals with sharp teeth... 37:16.720 --> 37:18.836 ...and I'm their tiger. A mass follows me... 37:18.920 --> 37:20.797 ...because it follows anything that moves. 37:23.240 --> 37:24.434 And then there's you. 37:26.320 --> 37:29.835 I am sick to think how much I must displease Your Grace. 37:30.440 --> 37:33.989 No, Thomas, I respect your sincerity. 37:37.200 --> 37:38.758 But respect... 37:39.360 --> 37:42.033 ...man, that's water in the desert. 37:47.360 --> 37:48.713 How'd you like our music? 37:48.800 --> 37:50.836 That air they played, it had a certain... 37:50.920 --> 37:53.309 Well, tell me what you thought of it. 37:53.400 --> 37:55.550 Could it have been Your Grace's own? 37:55.920 --> 37:57.035 Discovered! 37:57.840 --> 38:00.673 Now I'll never know your true opinion, and that's irksome. 38:00.760 --> 38:04.070 Well, we artists, we love praise, yet we love truth better. 38:04.280 --> 38:06.555 - Then I will tell my true opinion. - Well? 38:06.640 --> 38:09.712 To me it seemed delightful. 38:11.560 --> 38:15.599 Thomas, I chose the right man for chancellor. 38:15.680 --> 38:19.753 I should in fairness add that my taste in music is reputedly deplorable. 38:20.560 --> 38:22.710 Your taste in music is excellent! 38:22.800 --> 38:24.916 It exactly coincides with my own. 38:29.160 --> 38:30.309 Music. 38:31.840 --> 38:33.068 Music. 38:34.040 --> 38:38.079 Send them back without me, Thomas. I'll live here in Chelsea and make music. 38:38.160 --> 38:40.276 My house is at Your Grace's disposal. 38:40.360 --> 38:42.749 Touching this other business, mark you... 38:45.040 --> 38:46.871 ...I'll have no opposition. 38:48.560 --> 38:49.913 Your Grace. 38:50.000 --> 38:54.073 No opposition, I say. No opposition. 38:55.000 --> 38:56.319 Be seated. 38:59.240 --> 39:03.518 I'll leave you out of it but you are my chancellor. 39:04.720 --> 39:08.554 I don't take it kindly and I'll have no opposition! 39:10.960 --> 39:12.757 I see how it will be. 39:13.920 --> 39:15.990 The bishops will oppose me! 39:16.400 --> 39:20.837 The full-fed princes of the Church! Hypocrites! All hypocrites! 39:21.000 --> 39:23.230 Mind they do not take you in, Thomas! 39:23.360 --> 39:24.873 Your Grace is unjust. 39:24.960 --> 39:27.952 If I cannot serve Your Grace in this great matter of the Queen. 39:28.040 --> 39:30.315 I have no queen! 39:30.960 --> 39:32.916 Catherine's not my wife! 39:33.640 --> 39:35.676 No priest can make her so. 39:36.360 --> 39:39.909 They that say she is my wife are not only liars, but traitors! 39:41.840 --> 39:43.319 Yes, traitors! 39:44.120 --> 39:45.838 That I will not brook now! 39:46.440 --> 39:47.555 Treachery! 39:48.640 --> 39:49.789 I will not brook. 39:49.880 --> 39:51.154 It maddens me! 39:51.560 --> 39:56.918 It is a deadly canker in the body politic, and I will have it out! 40:06.360 --> 40:07.429 See? 40:09.520 --> 40:11.715 You see how you've maddened me? 40:12.280 --> 40:14.475 I hardly know myself. 40:22.000 --> 40:24.958 If you could come with me, there's no man I'd sooner raise... 40:25.040 --> 40:26.837 ...yes, with my own hand. 40:27.160 --> 40:29.151 Your Grace overwhelms me. 40:38.680 --> 40:40.079 What's that? 40:40.560 --> 40:42.152 Eight o'clock, Your Grace. 40:44.080 --> 40:45.877 Lift yourself up, man. 40:49.680 --> 40:52.274 Have I not promised I'll leave you out of it? 40:53.840 --> 40:55.068 Shall we eat? 40:55.200 --> 40:56.758 If Your Grace pleases. 41:00.920 --> 41:02.399 Eight o'clock, you said. 41:03.920 --> 41:05.592 The tide will be turning. 41:05.960 --> 41:08.997 - I was forgetting the tide. I must go. - I'm sorry, Your Grace. 41:09.480 --> 41:12.313 If I don't catch the tide I'll not get back to Richmond. 41:12.400 --> 41:13.879 No, don't come. 41:17.320 --> 41:20.835 Lady Alice, I must go and catch the tide. Affairs call me to court. 41:20.920 --> 41:23.480 So we give you our thanks and we say goodnight! 41:44.920 --> 41:46.148 What's this? 41:46.720 --> 41:48.517 - You crossed him! - Somewhat. 41:48.600 --> 41:50.636 - Why? - I couldn't find the other way. 41:50.720 --> 41:52.676 You're too nice altogether, Thomas. 41:52.760 --> 41:56.116 - Woman, mind your house! - I am minding my house! 41:59.320 --> 42:01.151 God save Your Majesty! 42:02.440 --> 42:04.192 God save Your Grace! 42:11.080 --> 42:12.752 God save the King! 42:15.440 --> 42:16.668 Lift! 42:24.360 --> 42:25.509 Drop blades! 42:27.960 --> 42:30.110 Sire! Sire! Sire! 43:00.680 --> 43:02.830 Are you coming my way, Rich? 43:05.040 --> 43:06.075 No. 43:08.000 --> 43:10.150 I think you should, you know. 43:10.600 --> 43:12.636 I can't tell you anything. 43:19.040 --> 43:20.155 Well? 43:32.320 --> 43:33.514 Thomas? 43:35.880 --> 43:37.598 Stay friends with him. 43:39.040 --> 43:42.635 Whatever may be done by smiling, you may rely on me to do. 43:49.600 --> 43:51.670 Set your mind at rest. 43:51.960 --> 43:55.077 This is not the stuff of which martyrs are made. 44:04.360 --> 44:07.238 Good evening, sir, Lady Alice. 44:08.600 --> 44:10.477 Will wants to talk to you, Father. 44:11.920 --> 44:13.751 I told him it wouldn't be convenient. 44:13.840 --> 44:14.795 You were quite right. 44:15.560 --> 44:18.358 You're very free with my daughter's hand, Roper. 44:18.880 --> 44:19.710 Yes. 44:20.320 --> 44:22.151 It's of that I wish to speak. 44:22.520 --> 44:25.318 Sir, you've had a disagreement with His Majesty. 44:26.160 --> 44:28.390 - Have I? - So Meg tells me. 44:28.480 --> 44:30.357 I offer my congratulations. 44:30.720 --> 44:33.518 If it's true, is it a matter for congratulation? 44:33.600 --> 44:34.589 Yes! 44:37.840 --> 44:42.311 Sir, when last I asked you for your daughter's hand... 44:42.560 --> 44:45.632 ...you objected to my unorthodox opinions. 44:46.160 --> 44:47.309 - I did. - Yes. 44:47.400 --> 44:49.960 Well, since then my views have somewhat modified. 44:54.280 --> 44:55.998 Well, that's good hearing, Will. 44:56.920 --> 45:00.469 Mind you, I modify nothing concerning the various corruptions in the Church. 45:00.560 --> 45:03.279 - Quite right. - But an attack upon the Church herself... 45:03.360 --> 45:05.794 ...no. I see behind that an attack on God. 45:05.880 --> 45:07.313 - Roper! - The Devil's work... 45:07.400 --> 45:09.118 ...to be done by the Devil's ministers! 45:09.200 --> 45:11.031 For heaven's sake, remember my office. 45:11.120 --> 45:12.519 If you stand on your office... 45:12.600 --> 45:16.639 No, I don't stand on it, but there are certain things I may not hear. 45:17.320 --> 45:17.957 Sir Thomas. 45:20.400 --> 45:21.628 Richard? 45:22.360 --> 45:23.475 I fell. 45:25.240 --> 45:26.434 Lady Alice. 45:26.760 --> 45:28.273 - Lady Margaret. - Good evening. 45:28.360 --> 45:30.669 Do you know William Roper, the younger? 45:30.840 --> 45:32.637 By reputation, of course. 45:32.880 --> 45:35.075 - Good evening, Master... - Rich. 45:42.280 --> 45:43.713 You've heard of me? 45:43.960 --> 45:45.029 Yes. 45:45.360 --> 45:48.636 In what connection? I don't know what you can have heard. 45:54.280 --> 45:56.350 I sense that I'm not welcome here. 45:56.600 --> 45:59.558 Why Richard? Have you done something to make you not welcome? 45:59.640 --> 46:00.959 Cromwell is asking questions. 46:01.040 --> 46:04.316 About you. He's always asking questions about you and your opinions. 46:04.800 --> 46:06.028 Of whom? 46:07.040 --> 46:09.190 Of him, for one. That's one of his sources. 46:10.800 --> 46:13.075 Of course. That's one of my servants. 46:14.680 --> 46:16.238 All right, Matthew. 46:21.040 --> 46:23.349 Well, you look at me as though I were an enemy. 46:25.880 --> 46:27.757 Why Richard, you're shaking. 46:29.440 --> 46:30.668 Help me. 46:31.560 --> 46:32.515 How? 46:32.640 --> 46:33.868 Employ me. 46:34.560 --> 46:35.595 No. 46:36.120 --> 46:37.838 - Employ me! - No. 46:52.800 --> 46:54.552 I would be faithful. 46:58.160 --> 47:02.153 You couldn't answer for yourself even so far as tonight. 47:13.800 --> 47:14.949 Arrest him! 47:15.080 --> 47:16.513 - For what? - He's dangerous! 47:16.600 --> 47:18.318 - Libel. He's a spy! - That man's bad! 47:18.400 --> 47:20.516 - There's no law against that. - God's law! 47:20.600 --> 47:23.068 - Then God can arrest him. - While you talk, he's gone! 47:23.160 --> 47:26.072 Go he should, if he were the Devil, until he broke the law. 47:26.160 --> 47:29.675 - Now you give the Devil benefit of law! - Yes, what would you do? 47:29.760 --> 47:32.194 Cut a road through the law to get after the Devil? 47:32.280 --> 47:35.113 Yes. I'd cut down every law in England to do that. 47:35.920 --> 47:38.878 And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned on you... 47:38.960 --> 47:41.872 ...where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? 47:41.960 --> 47:44.554 This country is planted with laws from coast to coast... 47:44.640 --> 47:47.154 ...Man's laws, not God's, and if you cut them down... 47:47.240 --> 47:48.912 ...and you're just the man to do it... 47:49.000 --> 47:53.312 ...do you really think you could stand upright in the wind that would blow then? 47:54.240 --> 47:55.036 Yes. 47:55.120 --> 47:59.238 I give the Devil benefit of law for my own safety's sake. 48:35.600 --> 48:37.272 - Master Rich? - Yes. 48:37.400 --> 48:38.879 In there, sir. 48:44.680 --> 48:46.636 Rich? Come in. 48:50.520 --> 48:52.556 Taken you long enough to get here. 48:52.640 --> 48:54.278 Have I kept you waiting? 48:55.440 --> 48:56.634 Months. 48:58.920 --> 49:01.036 - Here. - Thank you. 49:02.400 --> 49:03.879 Do you know the news? 49:04.200 --> 49:07.192 - What news? - Sir Thomas Paget is retiring. 49:08.680 --> 49:10.671 And I succeed him. 49:11.840 --> 49:13.512 Secretary to the Council? 49:13.600 --> 49:14.669 You? 49:15.200 --> 49:16.838 'Tis surprising, isn't it? 49:18.160 --> 49:20.833 I mean, one sees that's logical. 49:22.720 --> 49:25.473 Sit down, Rich. No ceremony, no courtship... 49:25.600 --> 49:27.591 ...as His Majesty would say. 49:30.920 --> 49:32.638 You see how I trust you. 49:33.560 --> 49:36.199 I'd never repeat or report a thing like that. 49:37.440 --> 49:40.113 What kind of thing would you repeat or report? 49:42.120 --> 49:43.838 Nothing said in friendship. 49:44.240 --> 49:45.514 Do you believe that? 49:45.600 --> 49:47.511 - Why, yes. - No, seriously. 49:47.600 --> 49:48.919 Well, yes. 49:49.240 --> 49:53.028 Rich, seriously. 49:58.040 --> 50:01.237 That would depend what I was offered. 50:03.040 --> 50:04.598 Don't say it just to please me. 50:04.680 --> 50:07.274 It's true. It would depend what I was offered. 50:09.280 --> 50:12.113 Well, there is another post vacant. 50:12.560 --> 50:14.676 Collector of Revenues for York. 50:15.280 --> 50:16.838 Is it in your gift? 50:16.920 --> 50:18.239 Effectively. 50:19.240 --> 50:20.958 What must I do for it? 50:23.280 --> 50:26.431 I know a man who wants to change his woman. 50:28.000 --> 50:30.798 Normally a matter of small importance, but in this case... 50:30.880 --> 50:33.917 ...it's our liege, Lord Henry, the eighth of that name. 50:34.640 --> 50:38.838 Which is a quaint way of saying that if he wants to change his woman, he will. 50:38.920 --> 50:40.990 And our job as administrators... 50:41.560 --> 50:45.712 ...is to minimize the inconvenience which this is going to cause. 50:45.840 --> 50:49.958 That's our only job, Rich, to minimize the inconvenience of things. 50:50.400 --> 50:53.278 A harmless occupation you would say, but no. 50:53.520 --> 50:56.398 We administrators are not liked, Rich. 50:56.840 --> 50:58.558 We are not popular. 50:58.640 --> 51:02.679 I say "we" on the assumption you'll accept the post at York I've offered you. 51:07.440 --> 51:08.509 Yes. 51:16.040 --> 51:19.271 It's a bad sign when people are depressed by their own good fortune. 51:19.360 --> 51:21.316 - I'm not depressed. - You look depressed. 51:21.400 --> 51:23.709 I was lamenting. I've lost my innocence. 51:23.800 --> 51:26.553 Some time ago. Have you only just noticed? 51:28.000 --> 51:31.993 Your friend, our present Lord Chancellor, now there's an innocent man. 51:34.040 --> 51:35.837 The odd thing is, he is. 51:36.080 --> 51:38.958 Yes, I say he is. Unhappily... 51:39.040 --> 51:41.315 ...his innocence is tangled up in this problem... 51:41.400 --> 51:44.039 ...that you can't change your woman without a divorce... 51:44.120 --> 51:47.237 ...and you can't get a divorce unless the Pope says so. 51:47.360 --> 51:51.717 And from this meaningless circumstance, I foresee a certain measure of... 51:52.040 --> 51:54.235 - Inconvenience? - Just so. 51:55.280 --> 51:57.919 This goblet he gave you, how much was it worth? 51:59.760 --> 52:03.799 Come along, he gave you a silver goblet. How much did you get for it? 52:04.120 --> 52:05.269 Fifty shillings. 52:05.360 --> 52:08.238 It was a gift, wasn't it, from a litigant, a woman? 52:08.800 --> 52:10.711 - Yes. - Which court? Chancery? 52:12.400 --> 52:14.391 Don't get drunk! 52:14.880 --> 52:17.348 Which court was the litigant's case? 52:19.200 --> 52:20.872 Court of Requests. 52:22.880 --> 52:25.519 There. That wasn't too painful, was it? 52:28.040 --> 52:29.393 - No. - No. 52:29.520 --> 52:32.034 And you'll find it easier, next time. 53:06.000 --> 53:08.719 My Lord Archbishop, my lords... 53:09.080 --> 53:11.355 ...Reverend Doctors of the Church. 53:11.560 --> 53:14.358 The answer of our liege, Lord Henry... 53:14.440 --> 53:16.795 ...to his trusty well-beloved subjects... 53:16.880 --> 53:19.519 ...pontiffs in the Canterbury Convocation. 53:21.160 --> 53:22.388 "His Majesty... 53:22.520 --> 53:26.308 "... acknowledges your humble admission of many grievous errors... 53:27.440 --> 53:28.839 "... for which he accepts... 53:28.920 --> 53:33.391 "... the manumission of £100,000 in token. 53:35.800 --> 53:39.475 "Mindful for the well-being of the realm and the quietness of his subjects... 53:39.560 --> 53:43.792 "... His Majesty requires that you do now straightly renounce your pretended... 53:43.880 --> 53:46.189 "... allegiance to the See of Rome. 53:46.720 --> 53:49.757 "And admit the statute passed through parliament... 53:50.080 --> 53:52.514 "... acknowledging the King's good title... 53:53.080 --> 53:55.753 "... Supreme Head of the Church in England. " 54:01.160 --> 54:03.993 Well, my lords, what's your answer? 54:05.880 --> 54:08.155 Yea or nay? 54:10.360 --> 54:12.794 His Majesty accepts your resignation very sadly. 54:13.160 --> 54:15.435 He's mindful of your goodness and past loyalty. 54:15.520 --> 54:19.832 And in any matter concerning your honor and welfare he'll continue your good lord. 54:21.160 --> 54:23.310 You will convey my humble gratitude. 54:29.320 --> 54:31.629 - Help me with this. - Not I. 54:35.040 --> 54:36.837 - Alice? - No. 54:37.760 --> 54:42.311 Sun and moon, Master More, you're taken for a wise man. Is this wisdom? 54:42.600 --> 54:44.238 To betray your ability... 54:44.320 --> 54:47.835 ...abandon your station and forget your duty to your kith and kin? 54:48.520 --> 54:50.112 Shall I, sir? 54:51.720 --> 54:54.234 No, thank you, son Roper. 54:56.000 --> 54:57.115 Margaret... 54:58.360 --> 54:59.679 ...will you? 55:00.960 --> 55:02.154 Yes. 55:07.080 --> 55:08.911 If you want. 55:13.840 --> 55:15.637 There's my clever girl. 55:18.880 --> 55:23.112 Well done, sir! In my opinion, that thing's a degradation. 55:23.240 --> 55:25.708 I'll tell you my opinion of the King's title, too... 55:25.800 --> 55:29.509 Don't! Will, silence! Remember, you have a wife now... 55:30.360 --> 55:32.032 ...and may have children. 55:43.400 --> 55:45.391 All right, Thomas, make me understand... 55:45.480 --> 55:48.153 ...because I tell you, to me this looks like cowardice! 55:48.240 --> 55:49.150 All right, I will. 55:49.440 --> 55:52.830 This isn't reformation, this is war against the Church. 55:53.040 --> 55:56.555 Our King has declared war on the Pope because the Pope will not declare... 55:56.640 --> 55:59.393 - ... that our Queen is not his wife. - And is she? 56:02.360 --> 56:03.634 Is she? 56:06.040 --> 56:08.838 Have I your word that what we say here is between us two? 56:08.920 --> 56:10.069 Very well. 56:10.200 --> 56:13.590 And if the King should command you to repeat what I may say? 56:13.720 --> 56:15.597 I should keep my word to you. 56:15.720 --> 56:19.395 Then what has become of your oath of obedience to the King? 56:22.000 --> 56:23.752 You lay traps for me! 56:23.840 --> 56:26.354 No, I show you the times. 56:29.520 --> 56:33.229 We are at war with the Pope. For the Pope's a prince, isn't he? 56:33.320 --> 56:37.199 He is. He's also the descendant of St. Peter, our only link with Christ. 56:37.280 --> 56:40.989 So you believe. And will you forfeit all you have... 56:41.080 --> 56:43.913 ...which includes the respect of your country, for a belief? 56:44.000 --> 56:47.151 Because what matters is that I believe it, or rather, no... 56:47.720 --> 56:50.757 ...not that I believe it, but that I believe it. 56:51.520 --> 56:54.751 - I trust I make myself obscure? - Perfectly. 56:57.400 --> 57:01.075 Why do you insult me with this lawyer's chatter? 57:01.760 --> 57:03.591 Because I'm afraid. 57:03.760 --> 57:05.318 Man, you're ill. 57:08.000 --> 57:10.514 This isn't Spain, you know. This is England. 57:29.160 --> 57:33.039 My friends, you all know why I've called you here. 57:33.760 --> 57:37.036 I have today resigned my office. 57:39.400 --> 57:42.278 I am no longer a great man. 57:43.440 --> 57:46.591 Sir, we want you to know that we're all on your side. 57:47.400 --> 57:49.755 My side? What side is that? 57:50.120 --> 57:51.951 Well, sir, we all know what you think. 57:52.040 --> 57:54.429 None of you knows what I think. And if you guess... 57:54.520 --> 57:57.432 ...and babble it about, you do me no good service. 57:59.160 --> 58:02.869 Since I am no more a great man, I no longer need a great household. 58:02.960 --> 58:07.556 Nor can I afford one. You will have to go. 58:07.920 --> 58:10.878 However, I still number some great men among my friends... 58:10.960 --> 58:13.155 ...and they still need great households. 58:13.240 --> 58:16.516 No one will be turned away until we've found another place for him. 58:16.600 --> 58:19.398 - We can't find places for them all. - Yes, we can. 58:21.520 --> 58:22.953 Thank you. 58:24.200 --> 58:25.633 That is all. 58:35.920 --> 58:37.512 What about you, Matthew? 58:41.040 --> 58:42.519 Will you stay? 58:42.640 --> 58:44.517 Well, sir, that's according. 58:44.600 --> 58:47.273 There will be more work and less money. 58:48.560 --> 58:52.439 Well then, I don't see how I can then, sir. After all, I've got my own... 58:52.520 --> 58:56.308 Quite right, Matthew. Why should you? I shall miss you, Matthew. 58:57.400 --> 59:00.073 Oh, no, sir, you see through me, sir. I know that. 59:04.560 --> 59:06.198 I shall miss you. 59:17.320 --> 59:19.515 Damn me! Isn't that them all over! 59:19.960 --> 59:22.235 Miss me? What's in me for him to miss? 59:22.320 --> 59:26.472 "Matthew, will you take a cut in wages?" No, Sir Thomas, I will not. 59:26.560 --> 59:31.270 And that's it. And that's all of it! All right, so he's down on his luck, I'm sorry. 59:32.040 --> 59:34.190 I don't mind saying that I'm sorry, bad luck. 59:34.480 --> 59:36.550 If I had good luck to spare he could have some! 59:36.640 --> 59:38.551 I wish we could have good luck all the time. 59:38.640 --> 59:43.077 I wish rainwater was beer! I wish we had wings! But we don't. 59:53.760 --> 59:56.035 Well, there's an end of you. 59:56.880 --> 59:58.836 What'll you do now? Sit by the fire... 59:58.920 --> 01:00:00.990 ...and make goslings in the ash? 01:00:01.080 --> 01:00:03.036 Not at all, Alice. 01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:06.189 I expect I'll write a bit... 01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:08.639 ...I'll write... 01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:11.550 ...I'll read, I'll think. 01:00:13.120 --> 01:00:14.872 I think I'll learn to fish. 01:00:16.560 --> 01:00:20.348 I'll play with my grandchildren when son Roper's done his duty. 01:00:22.040 --> 01:00:25.316 - Alice, shall I teach you to read? - No, by God! 01:00:28.640 --> 01:00:31.438 Poor, silly man, you think they'll leave you here to think? 01:00:31.520 --> 01:00:33.875 If we govern our tongues, they will! 01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:41.757 I have a word to say on that. I've made no statement. I've resigned, that's all. 01:00:43.040 --> 01:00:46.828 The King is made, by act of parliament, Supreme Head of the Church in England. 01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:51.038 This English Church will divorce him from the Queen, then marry him to Lady Anne. 01:00:51.120 --> 01:00:54.829 But on any of these matters, have you heard me make a statement? 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:55.949 No. 01:00:56.240 --> 01:00:59.869 If I'm to lose my rank and fall to housekeeping, I want to know the reason. 01:00:59.960 --> 01:01:01.916 - So make a statement now. - No. 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.878 Alice, it's a point of law. Accept it from me... 01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.758 ...that in silence is my safety, under the law. 01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:11.355 And my silence must be absolute, it must extend to you. 01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:13.476 In short, you don't trust me. 01:01:17.040 --> 01:01:20.828 I'm the Lord Chief Justice, I'm Cromwell, I'm the keeper of the Tower. 01:01:21.160 --> 01:01:22.479 I take your hand... 01:01:22.560 --> 01:01:26.269 ...I clamp it on the Bible, on the blessed Cross and I say: 01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:29.591 "Woman, has your husband made a statement on these matters? 01:01:30.160 --> 01:01:33.470 "On peril of your soul remember, what is your answer?" 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:36.515 No. 01:01:37.720 --> 01:01:40.393 And so it must remain. 01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:51.389 Have you opened your mind to Meg? 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:54.513 Would I tell Meg what I won't tell you? 01:01:55.200 --> 01:01:58.431 Meg has your heart. I know that well enough. 01:02:09.680 --> 01:02:11.750 This is a dangerous matter then... 01:02:12.680 --> 01:02:14.398 ...if you've not told Meg. 01:02:15.040 --> 01:02:17.873 I don't think so. No. 01:02:19.160 --> 01:02:21.196 When they find I'm silent... 01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.957 ...they'll want nothing better than to leave me silent. 01:02:26.160 --> 01:02:27.639 You'll see. 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:52.111 But he's silent, Master Secretary, why not leave him silent? 01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:55.192 Your Grace, not being a man of letters... 01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:58.519 ...you perhaps don't realize the extent of his reputation. 01:02:58.600 --> 01:03:01.433 This silence of his is bellowing up and down Europe! 01:03:01.520 --> 01:03:03.636 In Europe he is claimed as the King's enemy. 01:03:03.720 --> 01:03:06.075 Rubbish! Crank he may be, traitor he is not. 01:03:06.160 --> 01:03:08.469 Exactly. And with a little pressure... 01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:11.556 With a little pressure he can be got to say so. 01:03:11.640 --> 01:03:14.279 That's all we need. A brief declaration of his loyalty... 01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:18.114 - ... to the present administration. - I still say, let sleeping dogs lie. 01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.155 The King does not agree with you. 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:29.959 What kind of pressure do you think you can bring to bear? 01:03:30.600 --> 01:03:34.388 I have evidence that Sir Thomas, while he was a judge, accepted bribes. 01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:35.833 What? 01:03:36.120 --> 01:03:39.874 Goddammit! He was the only judge since Cato who didn't accept bribes! 01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:43.111 When was there a chancellor whose possessions, after three years... 01:03:43.200 --> 01:03:45.919 ...totaled £100 and a gold chain? 01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:51.990 It is, as you imply, common practice... 01:03:52.080 --> 01:03:54.992 ...but a practice may be common and remain an offence. 01:03:55.080 --> 01:03:57.548 This offence could send a man to the Tower. 01:04:02.520 --> 01:04:03.748 Come here. 01:04:04.720 --> 01:04:07.917 This woman's name is Averil Machin. She comes from Leicester. 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.036 - She entered a case... - A property case it was. 01:04:10.120 --> 01:04:11.519 Shut your mouth. 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:14.994 A property case in the Court of Requests in April, 1528. 01:04:15.080 --> 01:04:16.559 And got a wicked false judgment! 01:04:16.640 --> 01:04:19.359 And got an impeccably correct judgment from Sir Thomas. 01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:21.431 - No, sir, it was not! - Tell the gentleman... 01:04:21.520 --> 01:04:24.114 ...about the gift you gave the judge. 01:04:25.200 --> 01:04:26.838 I gave him a cup, sir. 01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:30.270 A silver Italian cup I bought in Leicester, for 100 shillings. 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.271 Did Sir Thomas accept this cup? 01:04:32.520 --> 01:04:33.669 Yes, sir, he did. 01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:37.070 He did accept it. We can corroborate that. You can go. 01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:39.231 - To my way of thinking... - Go! 01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:50.360 - Is that your witness? - No. 01:04:51.120 --> 01:04:55.671 By an odd coincidence that cup later came into the hands of Master Rich here. 01:04:57.400 --> 01:04:58.469 How? 01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:04.238 - He gave it to me, Your Grace. - Gave it to you? Why? 01:05:04.640 --> 01:05:05.834 A gift. 01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:09.792 Yes, you were a friend, weren't you? 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.550 When did Thomas give you this thing? 01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:15.157 I can't exactly remember. 01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:20.189 Do you "remember" what you did with it? 01:05:20.600 --> 01:05:22.318 - I sold it. - Where? 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.076 - A shop. - Has the shop still got it? 01:05:26.120 --> 01:05:28.190 No. They've lost all track of it. 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:29.839 How convenient. 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:33.916 You doubt Master Rich's word, Your Grace? 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:36.230 It had occurred to me. 01:05:39.160 --> 01:05:41.151 This is the bill of sale. 01:05:51.520 --> 01:05:56.116 That cow put her case into court in April, you said. This is dated May. 01:05:57.200 --> 01:06:00.033 In other words, the moment Thomas knew the cup was a bribe... 01:06:00.120 --> 01:06:03.396 ...he dropped it into the nearest gutter. 01:06:06.160 --> 01:06:09.038 The facts will bear that interpretation, I suppose. 01:06:10.240 --> 01:06:12.879 This is a horse that won't run, Master Secretary. 01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:15.633 Just a trial gallop. We'll find something better. 01:06:15.720 --> 01:06:18.188 - I want no part of it. - You have no choice. 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:21.672 What's that you say? 01:06:23.080 --> 01:06:27.312 The King particularly wishes you to be active in this matter of Sir Thomas. 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:29.239 He's not told me that. 01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:31.151 Indeed? He told me. 01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:36.678 Look here, Cromwell... 01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:39.030 ...what's the purpose of all this? 01:06:39.160 --> 01:06:40.639 There you have me. 01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.110 It's a matter of conscience, I think. 01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:47.676 The King wants Sir Thomas to bless his marriage. 01:06:48.120 --> 01:06:52.432 If Sir Thomas appeared at the wedding now, it might save us all a lot of trouble. 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:57.189 He won't attend the wedding. 01:06:57.320 --> 01:06:59.709 If I were you, I'd try and persuade him. 01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:03.357 I really would try, if I were you. 01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:08.638 Cromwell, are you threatening me? 01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.957 My dear Norfolk, this isn't Spain. 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:14.392 This is England! 01:09:25.200 --> 01:09:27.589 Thomas? Thomas! 01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:31.909 Lady Margaret? 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:32.830 Yes. 01:10:35.040 --> 01:10:38.396 We've been cutting greens. We use them for fuel. 01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:44.712 I have a letter for your father, Lady Margaret. From Hampton Court. 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:51.959 He's to answer certain charges before Secretary Cromwell. 01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:56.797 Good of you to come, Sir Thomas. 01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:04.994 Master Rich will make a record of our conversation. 01:11:05.080 --> 01:11:07.036 Good of you to tell me, Master Secretary. 01:11:07.120 --> 01:11:08.553 I think you know one another. 01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:10.870 Indeed yes, we're old friends. 01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:14.030 That's a nice gown you have, Richard. 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.150 Sir Thomas, believe me. 01:11:21.360 --> 01:11:25.273 No, that's asking too much. But let me tell you all the same. 01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:29.189 You have no more sincere admirer than myself. 01:11:30.280 --> 01:11:32.555 No, not yet, Rich, not yet. 01:11:36.400 --> 01:11:38.152 If I might hear the charges. 01:11:38.240 --> 01:11:41.073 - The charges? - I understand there are certain charges. 01:11:41.160 --> 01:11:44.630 Some ambiguities of behavior I should like to clarify, hardly charges. 01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:48.235 Make a note of that, will you, Master Rich? There are no charges. 01:11:49.200 --> 01:11:51.350 Sir Thomas, Sir Thomas. 01:11:56.160 --> 01:11:59.072 The King is not pleased with you. 01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:01.273 I am grieved. 01:12:02.040 --> 01:12:05.396 And yet, do you know that even now, if you could bring yourself... 01:12:05.480 --> 01:12:08.950 ...to agree with the Church, universities, the Lords and the Commons... 01:12:09.040 --> 01:12:12.669 ...there is no honor which His Majesty would be likely to deny you? 01:12:13.200 --> 01:12:16.351 I am well acquainted with His Grace's generosity. 01:12:19.320 --> 01:12:20.389 Very well. 01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:26.833 You have heard of the so-called "Holy Maid of Kent"... 01:12:27.240 --> 01:12:29.629 ...who was executed for prophesying against the King? 01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:31.790 - Yes, I met her. - Yes, you met her. 01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:35.430 Yet you did not warn His Majesty of her treason. How was that? 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:38.751 She spoke no treason. Our talk was not political. 01:12:39.120 --> 01:12:41.998 But the woman was notorious. Do you expect me to believe that? 01:12:42.080 --> 01:12:45.152 - Happily, there were witnesses. - You wrote a letter to her. 01:12:45.240 --> 01:12:49.950 Yes. I wrote, advising her to abstain from meddling in the affairs of state. 01:12:50.040 --> 01:12:53.794 I have a copy of the letter. Also witnessed. 01:12:55.880 --> 01:13:00.749 - You have been cautious. - I like to keep my affairs regular. 01:13:07.560 --> 01:13:11.314 In the June of 1521, the King published a book. 01:13:12.280 --> 01:13:13.713 A theological work. 01:13:15.160 --> 01:13:17.754 It was called, A Defense of the Seven Sacraments. 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:22.595 For which he was named "Defender of the Faith" by His Holiness, the Pope. 01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:25.911 By the Bishop of Rome, or do you insist on "pope"? 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:29.993 No. "Bishop of Rome" if you like. It doesn't alter his authority. 01:13:31.080 --> 01:13:36.200 Thank you. You come to the point very readily. What is that authority? 01:13:36.280 --> 01:13:38.271 For example, in the Church of England... 01:13:38.360 --> 01:13:41.079 ...what exactly is the Bishop of Rome's authority? 01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:46.112 You will find it very ably set out and defended, Master Secretary... 01:13:46.360 --> 01:13:48.078 ...in the King's book. 01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:51.837 In the book published under the King's name, would be more accurate. 01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:54.309 - You wrote this book. - I wrote no part of it. 01:13:54.400 --> 01:13:56.197 I don't mean you actually held the pen. 01:13:56.280 --> 01:13:58.999 I answered to my best ability, some points of common law... 01:13:59.080 --> 01:14:01.310 ...which the King put to me, as I was bound to do. 01:14:01.400 --> 01:14:02.913 Do you deny you instigated it? 01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:06.436 It was from first to last the King's own project. 01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:07.589 The King says not. 01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:13.150 The King knows the truth of it. 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:16.195 And whatever he may have said to you... 01:14:16.280 --> 01:14:19.352 ...he will not give evidence to support this accusation. 01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:21.948 Why not? 01:14:22.040 --> 01:14:26.158 Because evidence is given on oath, and he will not perjure himself. 01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:30.315 If you don't know that, then you don't yet know him. 01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:37.079 Sir Thomas More. 01:14:37.240 --> 01:14:38.389 Have you anything to say... 01:14:38.480 --> 01:14:40.755 ...regarding the King's marriage with Queen Anne? 01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:43.870 I understood I was not to be asked that again. 01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:45.996 Then you understood wrongly. These charges... 01:14:46.080 --> 01:14:50.358 They are terrors for children, Master Secretary, not for me! 01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:58.479 Then know that the King commands me to charge you... 01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:01.028 ...in his name, with great ingratitude! 01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:05.713 And to tell you that there never was, nor could be, so villainous a servant... 01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:08.553 ...nor so traitorous a subject, as yourself! 01:15:10.320 --> 01:15:11.309 So... 01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:16.115 ...I am brought here at last. 01:15:17.040 --> 01:15:18.029 Brought? 01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:21.840 You've brought yourself to where you stand now. 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:25.115 You may go. 01:15:30.440 --> 01:15:31.759 For the present. 01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:39.478 What will you do now? 01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:43.397 Whatever's necessary. 01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:52.989 Boat! 01:16:09.200 --> 01:16:12.078 Oh, come, come, it's not as bad as all that! 01:16:17.320 --> 01:16:18.514 Howard! 01:16:24.320 --> 01:16:25.833 I can't get home. 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:28.312 They won't bring me a boat. 01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.272 Do you blame them? 01:16:30.440 --> 01:16:31.998 Is it as bad as that? 01:16:32.440 --> 01:16:34.670 It's every bit as bad as that! 01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:38.154 Then it's good of you to be seen with me. 01:16:38.240 --> 01:16:39.753 I followed you. 01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:42.512 Were you followed? 01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:54.756 - You're dangerous to know! - Then don't know me. 01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:56.717 - I do know you. - I mean as a friend. 01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:00.679 - I am your friend. I wish I wasn't, but I am. - What's to be done then? 01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:02.791 - Give in. - I can't give in, Howard. 01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:05.075 Our friendship's more mutable than that. 01:17:05.160 --> 01:17:07.799 The one fixed point in the world of turning friendship... 01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:11.475 - ... is that Sir More won't give in. - To me it has to be, for that's myself. 01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:14.074 Affection goes as deep in me as you, I think. 01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:18.798 But only God is love right through, Howard, and that's my self. 01:17:20.320 --> 01:17:21.639 And who are you? 01:17:23.320 --> 01:17:25.311 A lawyer! And a lawyer's son! 01:17:25.400 --> 01:17:29.279 We're supposed to be the proud ones, the arrogant ones, we've all given in. 01:17:29.360 --> 01:17:30.952 Why must you stand out? 01:17:31.040 --> 01:17:34.271 Goddammit man! It's disproportionate! 01:17:37.360 --> 01:17:38.873 You'll break my heart. 01:17:40.040 --> 01:17:43.749 No one is safe, Howard, and you have a son. 01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:49.155 We'll end our friendship now. 01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:51.596 - For friendship's sake? - Yes. 01:17:52.360 --> 01:17:53.236 Daft! 01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:02.511 Norfolk, you're a fool! 01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:06.235 You can't place a quarrel, you haven't the style. 01:18:06.320 --> 01:18:09.790 Hear me out. You and your class have given in, as you rightly call it... 01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:12.758 ...'cause this country's religion means nothing to you at all. 01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:14.990 Well, that's a foolish saying for a start! 01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:17.399 The nobility of England... 01:18:17.480 --> 01:18:21.439 The nobility of England would have snored through the Sermon on the Mount! 01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:25.149 But you'll labor like scholars over a bulldog's pedigree. 01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:27.437 An artificial quarrel is not a quarrel. 01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:31.069 We've had a quarrel since the day we met. Our friendship was mere sloth. 01:18:31.360 --> 01:18:34.079 You can be cruel when you want, but I've always known that. 01:18:34.160 --> 01:18:37.232 What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? 01:18:39.160 --> 01:18:40.354 - Yes. - It's their nature? 01:18:40.440 --> 01:18:42.158 - Yes. - It's why you breed them? 01:18:42.240 --> 01:18:43.389 It's so with men. 01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:45.711 I will not give in, because I oppose it. 01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:51.158 Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my appetites, but I do, I. 01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:55.913 Is there, in the midst of all this muscle, no sinew that serves no appetite... 01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:58.230 ...of Norfolk's, but is just Norfolk? There is! 01:18:58.320 --> 01:19:00.197 - Give that some exercise, my lord! - Thomas! 01:19:00.280 --> 01:19:03.192 As you stand you'll go before your Maker ill conditioned! 01:19:03.280 --> 01:19:03.951 Now steady. 01:19:04.040 --> 01:19:08.750 And he'll think that, somewhere back along your pedigree, a bitch got over the wall! 01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:26.439 Cast in this very house on April 3, last year... 01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:30.998 ...it is a matter very fit for the Commons, gathered here... 01:19:31.080 --> 01:19:33.548 ...in parliament, to take in hand. 01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:37.793 Or, in consequence of the decay of guilds... 01:19:38.080 --> 01:19:42.039 ...the woolen cloth, now coming out of Yorkshire, Lincoln... 01:19:42.120 --> 01:19:45.476 ...and the like, is not to blame and this... 01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:50.557 I will defer the rest of my matter to later. 01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:01.992 That the loyal Commons, here assembled, will speedily enact this bill, I doubt not. 01:20:02.240 --> 01:20:06.472 For as much as it concerns the King's new title and his marriage to Queen Anne. 01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:10.355 Both matters pleasing to a loyal subject. 01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:13.592 Mark, my Masters... 01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:18.232 ...there is among us a brood of discreet traitors... 01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:20.830 ...to which deceit the King can brook no longer. 01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:26.711 And we, his loyal huntsmen, must now drive these subtle foxes from their covert. 01:20:54.400 --> 01:20:55.150 Father? 01:20:55.240 --> 01:20:56.275 Margaret! 01:20:57.800 --> 01:20:59.438 I couldn't get a boat. 01:20:59.960 --> 01:21:01.518 What is it, Meg? 01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:04.160 Father, there's a new act going through parliament. 01:21:06.280 --> 01:21:08.669 And by this act, they're going to administer an oath... 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:10.478 ...about the marriage. 01:21:11.120 --> 01:21:12.792 On what compulsion is the oath? 01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:16.230 - High treason. - But what is the wording? 01:21:16.320 --> 01:21:18.595 Do the words matter? We know what it means. 01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:19.749 Tell me the words. 01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:22.434 An oath is made of words. It may be possible to take it. 01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:23.111 Take it? 01:21:23.400 --> 01:21:25.516 And if it can be taken, you must take it, too. 01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:27.197 No! 01:21:27.280 --> 01:21:31.512 Listen, Meg. God made the angels to show him splendor. 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:36.516 As he made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:41.270 But Man he made to serve him wittily, in the tangle of his mind. 01:21:41.720 --> 01:21:44.917 If he suffers us to come to such a case that there is no escaping... 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:47.719 ...then we may stand to our tackle as best we can. 01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:52.635 And yes, Meg, then we can clamor like champions, if we have the spittle for it. 01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:56.748 But it's God's part, not our own, to bring ourselves to such a pass. 01:21:56.840 --> 01:22:00.071 Our natural business lies in escaping. 01:22:02.200 --> 01:22:04.111 If I can take this oath, I will. 01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:10.752 I would, for my sake, you could take the oath. 01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:13.308 I never took a man into the Tower less willingly. 01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:15.472 Thank you, Master Governor. 01:22:18.360 --> 01:22:19.679 Thank you. 01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:22.995 Sir Thomas. 01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:53.949 Sir Thomas. 01:23:57.000 --> 01:23:58.194 Sir Thomas! 01:24:18.040 --> 01:24:19.951 This is iniquitous. 01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:25.835 - Where to this time? - Richmond Palace. 01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:21.914 Sit down. 01:25:29.240 --> 01:25:32.312 This is the Seventh Commission to inquire into the case... 01:25:32.400 --> 01:25:35.278 ...of Sir Thomas More, appointed by His Majesty's Council. 01:25:35.360 --> 01:25:37.237 Have you anything to say? 01:25:37.320 --> 01:25:38.355 No. 01:25:41.080 --> 01:25:42.957 - Seen this document before? - Many times. 01:25:43.040 --> 01:25:44.598 It is the Act of Succession. 01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:47.069 These are the names of those who have sworn to it. 01:25:47.160 --> 01:25:50.038 - I have, as you say, seen it before. - Will you swear to it? 01:25:50.120 --> 01:25:51.155 No. 01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:53.837 Thomas, we must know... 01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:01.713 We must know plainly whether you recognize the offspring of Queen Anne... 01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:03.711 ...as heirs to the throne. 01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:06.314 The King in parliament tells me that they are. 01:26:06.400 --> 01:26:08.834 - Of course I recognize them. - Will you swear to it? 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:11.798 - Yes. - Then why won't he swear to the act? 01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:14.599 Because there is more than that in the act. 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:19.037 Just so. Sir Thomas, it states in the preamble that the King's former marriage... 01:26:19.120 --> 01:26:21.031 ...to the Lady Catherine was unlawful... 01:26:21.120 --> 01:26:25.636 ...she being his brother's widow and the Pope having no authority to sanction it. 01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:28.671 Is that what you deny? 01:26:34.400 --> 01:26:36.391 Is that what you dispute? 01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:45.438 Is that what you are not sure of? 01:26:51.400 --> 01:26:55.678 You insult His Majesty and Council in the person of the Lord Archbishop! 01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:56.954 I insult no one. 01:26:57.040 --> 01:27:00.749 I will not take the oath. I will not tell you why I will not. 01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:04.270 - Then your reasons must be treasonable! - Not "must be," may be. 01:27:04.360 --> 01:27:05.998 It's a fair assumption! 01:27:06.080 --> 01:27:09.789 The law requires more than an assumption, the law requires a fact. 01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:12.952 Of course, I cannot judge your legal standing in the case... 01:27:13.040 --> 01:27:15.759 ...but until I know the ground of your objections... 01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:19.674 ...I can only guess your spiritual standing, too. 01:27:20.040 --> 01:27:23.828 If you're willing to guess that, it should be small matter to guess my objections. 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:25.831 Then you do have objections to the act? 01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:27.672 Well, we know that, Cromwell! 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:29.199 No, my lord, you don't. 01:27:29.280 --> 01:27:33.068 You may suppose I have objections, all you know is that I will not swear to it... 01:27:33.160 --> 01:27:36.072 ...for which you cannot lawfully harm me further. 01:27:36.320 --> 01:27:40.677 But if you were right in supposing me to have objections, and right again... 01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:43.194 ...in supposing my objections to be treasonable... 01:27:43.280 --> 01:27:46.477 ...the law would let you cut my head off. 01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:49.478 Oh, yes. 01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:52.158 Well done, Sir Thomas. 01:27:52.240 --> 01:27:56.074 I've been trying to make that clear to His Grace for some time. 01:27:56.160 --> 01:27:58.355 Oh, confound all this! I'm not a scholar. 01:27:58.440 --> 01:28:00.510 I don't know if the marriage was lawful or not... 01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:02.591 ...but damn it, Thomas, look at these names. 01:28:03.080 --> 01:28:06.390 Why can't you do as I did, and come with us, for fellowship? 01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:11.395 And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience... 01:28:11.480 --> 01:28:16.315 ...and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship? 01:28:17.560 --> 01:28:20.711 So, those of us whose names are there, are damned, Sir Thomas? 01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:23.678 I have no window to look into another man's conscience. 01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:24.988 I condemn no one. 01:28:25.080 --> 01:28:27.548 - Then the matter is capable of question? - Certainly. 01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:30.757 But that you owe obedience to the King is not capable of question. 01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:33.912 So weigh a doubt against a certainty and sign. 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:41.595 Some men think the earth is round, others think it flat. 01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:44.234 It is a matter capable of question. 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:49.118 But if it is flat, will the King's command make it round? 01:28:49.200 --> 01:28:52.397 And if it is round, will the King's command flatten it? 01:28:53.200 --> 01:28:55.953 No, I will not sign. 01:28:56.360 --> 01:28:59.636 Then you have more regard for your own doubt than the King's command? 01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:01.915 - For myself I have no doubt. - No doubt of what? 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:04.195 No doubt that I will not take this oath. 01:29:04.280 --> 01:29:08.398 But why I will not, you, Master Secretary, will not trick out of me. 01:29:08.800 --> 01:29:11.553 I might get it out of you in other ways. 01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:15.228 You threaten like a dockside bully. 01:29:15.400 --> 01:29:16.594 How should I threaten? 01:29:16.680 --> 01:29:20.355 Like a minister of state, with justice! 01:29:21.040 --> 01:29:23.554 Justice is what you're threatened with. 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:25.477 Then I am not threatened. 01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:33.795 Gentlemen, can't I go to bed? 01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:36.355 Aye. The prisoner may retire as he requests. 01:29:36.440 --> 01:29:39.477 - Unless you... - I see no purpose in prolonging this. 01:29:43.320 --> 01:29:46.312 Then, goodnight, Thomas. 01:29:51.280 --> 01:29:53.669 May I have one or two more books? 01:29:54.520 --> 01:29:55.953 Why, you have books? 01:29:56.400 --> 01:29:57.230 Yes. 01:29:57.320 --> 01:29:59.754 I didn't know, you shouldn't have. 01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:09.432 May I see my family? 01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:10.555 No. 01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:17.749 Captain! 01:30:18.040 --> 01:30:19.678 Master Secretary? 01:30:20.480 --> 01:30:23.950 Have you ever heard the prisoner speak of the King's divorce, supremacy... 01:30:24.040 --> 01:30:26.235 - ... or the King's marriage? - No, not a word. 01:30:26.320 --> 01:30:28.914 If he does, you will repeat it to me. 01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:31.199 Of course. 01:30:36.120 --> 01:30:36.950 Rich. 01:30:37.080 --> 01:30:37.910 Secretary? 01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:40.594 Tomorrow morning, remove the prisoner's books. 01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:42.398 Is that necessary? 01:30:42.480 --> 01:30:45.392 With regards to this case, the King is becoming impatient. 01:30:45.480 --> 01:30:47.277 - Aye, with you. - With all of us. 01:30:47.360 --> 01:30:50.511 The King's impatience will embrace a duke or two. 01:30:59.920 --> 01:31:01.319 Master Secretary. 01:31:03.200 --> 01:31:05.270 Sir Redvers Llewellyn has retired. 01:31:06.240 --> 01:31:08.196 The Attorney General for Wales. 01:31:08.440 --> 01:31:10.158 His post is vacant. 01:31:11.240 --> 01:31:13.356 You said that I might approach you. 01:31:14.480 --> 01:31:16.357 Not now, Rich. 01:31:19.320 --> 01:31:21.436 He must submit. He must! 01:31:22.560 --> 01:31:23.549 Rack him. 01:31:27.400 --> 01:31:30.949 No. The King's conscience will not permit it. 01:31:31.320 --> 01:31:33.595 We have to find some other way. 01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:43.873 Sir Thomas! 01:31:46.200 --> 01:31:46.996 Father! 01:31:47.080 --> 01:31:48.399 What? Margaret? 01:31:49.240 --> 01:31:50.673 Father! 01:31:51.360 --> 01:31:54.397 Meg. For God's sake, they haven't put you in here? 01:31:54.480 --> 01:31:56.789 - No, sir, a visit. - A brief one, Sir Thomas. 01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:58.233 Father. 01:31:59.240 --> 01:32:01.470 - Good morning, husband. - Good morning. 01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:06.638 Good morning, Will. 01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:14.030 Well, this is a hellish place! 01:32:14.280 --> 01:32:17.192 Except it's keeping me from you, my dears, it isn't so bad. 01:32:17.280 --> 01:32:18.952 It's remarkably like any other place. 01:32:19.040 --> 01:32:21.838 - It drips! - Yes. It's too near the river. 01:32:33.240 --> 01:32:34.309 Well, what is it? 01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:40.070 Father, come out! Swear to the act and come out! 01:32:42.200 --> 01:32:44.270 Is this why they've let you come? 01:32:44.400 --> 01:32:45.389 Yes. 01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:50.150 Meg's under oath to persuade you. 01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:53.512 That was silly, Meg. 01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:03.590 How do you plan to do that? 01:33:05.560 --> 01:33:06.709 Father. 01:33:07.320 --> 01:33:10.710 "God more regards the thoughts of the heart than the words of the mouth. " 01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:13.075 - Well, so you've always told me. - Yes. 01:33:13.160 --> 01:33:16.197 Then say the words of the oath and in your heart think otherwise. 01:33:16.280 --> 01:33:19.397 What is an oath then, but words we say to God? 01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:27.028 Listen, Meg. 01:33:27.800 --> 01:33:31.713 When a man takes an oath, he's holding his own self in his own hands... 01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:33.228 ...like water. 01:33:33.440 --> 01:33:38.275 And if he opens his fingers then, he needn't hope to find himself again. 01:33:39.440 --> 01:33:44.150 Some men aren't capable of this, but I'd be loathed to think your father one of them. 01:33:47.160 --> 01:33:49.435 - I have another argument. - Oh, Meg. 01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:54.669 In any state that was half good, you would be raised up high, not here... 01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:57.718 - ... for what you've done already. - All right. 01:33:58.040 --> 01:34:00.554 It's not your fault the state's three-quarters bad. 01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:01.356 No. 01:34:01.440 --> 01:34:03.954 If you elect to suffer for it, you elect to be a hero. 01:34:04.040 --> 01:34:05.519 That's very neat. 01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:10.152 But look now. If we lived in a state where virtue was profitable... 01:34:10.480 --> 01:34:12.675 ...common sense would make us saintly. 01:34:12.760 --> 01:34:16.992 But since we see that avarice, anger, pride and stupidity... 01:34:17.240 --> 01:34:22.030 ...commonly profit far beyond charity, modesty, justice and thought... 01:34:22.200 --> 01:34:24.668 ...perhaps we must stand fast a little... 01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:27.229 ...even at the risk of being heroes. 01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:33.073 But in reason! 01:34:33.160 --> 01:34:36.470 Haven't you done as much as God can reasonably want? 01:34:41.040 --> 01:34:44.794 Well, finally it isn't a matter of reason. 01:34:44.920 --> 01:34:47.195 Finally, it's a matter of love. 01:34:50.320 --> 01:34:53.312 You're content then to be shut up here with mice and rats... 01:34:53.400 --> 01:34:55.595 - ... when you might be home with us? - Content? 01:34:55.680 --> 01:35:00.674 If they'd open a crack that wide, I'd be through it like a bird and back to Chelsea. 01:35:05.120 --> 01:35:07.714 I haven't told you what the house is like without you. 01:35:07.800 --> 01:35:08.915 Don't, Meg. 01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:12.117 - What we do in the evening without you. - Meg, have done. 01:35:12.200 --> 01:35:14.350 We don't read because we've no candles. 01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:17.313 We don't talk because we wonder what they're doing to you. 01:35:17.400 --> 01:35:19.994 The King is more merciful. He doesn't use the rack. 01:35:20.080 --> 01:35:21.752 Two minutes to go, sir. 01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:24.400 - I thought you'd like to know. - Two minutes! 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:27.434 - Jailer! - Sorry, sir. Two minutes. 01:35:29.160 --> 01:35:32.914 Listen, you must leave the country. All of you must leave the country. 01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:34.911 - And leave you? - It makes no difference. 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:36.718 They won't let me see you again. 01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:39.598 You must all go on the same day, but not on the same boat. 01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:42.877 - Different boats from different ports. - After the trial, then. 01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:45.428 There'll be no trial, they have no case. 01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:48.871 Do this for me, I beseech you. 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:50.752 - Will? - Yes, sir. 01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:52.592 - Margaret? - Yes. 01:35:53.240 --> 01:35:54.229 Alice? 01:35:59.960 --> 01:36:02.599 - Alice, I command you! - Right. 01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:11.591 This is splendid. 01:36:12.280 --> 01:36:15.033 - I know who packed this. - I packed it. 01:36:15.120 --> 01:36:16.109 Yes. 01:36:18.760 --> 01:36:21.228 You still make a superlative custard, Alice. 01:36:21.320 --> 01:36:22.355 Do I? 01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:27.030 That's a nice dress you have on. 01:36:28.320 --> 01:36:29.992 Nice color anyway. 01:36:30.280 --> 01:36:32.316 My God, you think little of me! 01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:33.790 I know I'm a fool... 01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:36.997 ...but I'm not such a fool as to be lamenting for my dresses... 01:36:37.080 --> 01:36:39.435 ...or to relish complimenting on my custards. 01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:41.238 I'm well rebuked. 01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:44.118 - Alice... - No! 01:36:47.160 --> 01:36:51.756 I'm sick with fear when I think of the worst they may do to me. 01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:56.835 But worse than that will be to go with you not understanding why I go. 01:36:56.920 --> 01:36:57.909 I don't. 01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:02.949 If you can tell me that you understand, I might make a good death, if I have to. 01:37:03.040 --> 01:37:07.079 - Your death's no good to me. - You must tell me that you understand. 01:37:07.160 --> 01:37:08.275 I don't! 01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:10.358 I don't believe this had to happen! 01:37:10.440 --> 01:37:12.590 If you say that I don't see how I'm to face it. 01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:13.954 It's the truth! 01:37:14.360 --> 01:37:17.397 - You're an honest woman. - Much good may it do me. 01:37:18.160 --> 01:37:20.276 I'll tell you what I'm afraid of... 01:37:20.360 --> 01:37:23.158 ...that when you've gone, I shall hate you for it. 01:37:27.400 --> 01:37:29.038 You mustn't, Alice. 01:37:32.400 --> 01:37:33.628 You mustn't. 01:37:38.160 --> 01:37:42.312 As for understanding, I understand you're the best man I ever met or ever likely to. 01:37:42.760 --> 01:37:47.515 And if you go, God knows why I suppose, though as God's my witness... 01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:49.750 ...God's kept deadly quiet about it. 01:37:50.440 --> 01:37:54.319 And if any one wants to know my opinion of the King and his Council... 01:37:54.440 --> 01:37:57.000 ...he only has to ask for it! 01:38:00.440 --> 01:38:03.637 Why, it's a lion I married. 01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:05.598 A lion. A lion. 01:38:11.280 --> 01:38:13.430 This is good. 01:38:16.040 --> 01:38:17.359 It's very good. 01:38:18.120 --> 01:38:19.758 Sorry, Sir Thomas! 01:38:20.200 --> 01:38:22.270 - Oh, for pity's sake! - Time's up, sir. 01:38:22.360 --> 01:38:25.079 - But one more minute! - You don't know what you're asking. 01:38:25.160 --> 01:38:26.957 - Come along, Miss. - For heaven's sake. 01:38:27.040 --> 01:38:28.712 Now, don't do that, sir. 01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:33.750 Now, madam, don't make trouble. 01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:38.790 Come along, please, Lady Alice. 01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:44.750 Take your muddy paws off me! 01:38:45.280 --> 01:38:48.238 Filthy, stinking, gutter-fed, turnkey! 01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:51.155 I'll see you suffer for this! 01:38:52.360 --> 01:38:53.554 Goodbye. 01:39:08.080 --> 01:39:10.355 You must understand my position, sir. 01:39:10.680 --> 01:39:14.150 I'm a plain, simple man and I just want to keep out of trouble. 01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:28.077 Dear Lord Jesus, my soul Savior, clear my wits. 01:39:29.360 --> 01:39:33.478 Dear Lady, Blessed Mother of God, comfort my wife and daughter... 01:39:34.400 --> 01:39:36.356 ...and forgive me for them. 01:40:38.200 --> 01:40:42.478 Sir Thomas More, though you have heinously offended the King's majesty... 01:40:42.560 --> 01:40:47.509 ...we hope that if you'll even now fore think and repent of obstinate opinion... 01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:50.593 ...you may still taste his gracious pardon. 01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:53.717 My lords, I thank you. 01:40:54.440 --> 01:40:56.829 As for the matters you may charge me with... 01:40:56.920 --> 01:41:00.549 ...I fear from my present weakness, that neither my wit... 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:02.790 ...nor my memory will serve... 01:41:03.400 --> 01:41:05.311 ...to make sufficient answer. 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:08.755 I should be glad to sit down. 01:41:08.920 --> 01:41:10.592 A chair for the prisoner. 01:41:24.480 --> 01:41:26.630 Master Secretary Cromwell, have you the charge? 01:41:26.720 --> 01:41:29.029 - I have, my lord. - Then read the charge. 01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:35.751 "That you did willfully and maliciously deny and deprive... 01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:39.515 "... our liege, Lord Henry, of his undoubted certain title... 01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:42.558 "... Supreme Head of the Church in England. " 01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:47.151 But, I have never denied this title. 01:41:49.440 --> 01:41:53.115 At Westminster Hall, at Lambeth, and again at Richmond... 01:41:53.240 --> 01:41:55.629 ...you stubbornly refused the oath. 01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:57.074 Was this no denial? 01:41:57.160 --> 01:41:59.151 No, this was silence. 01:41:59.480 --> 01:42:02.677 And for my silence, I am punished with imprisonment. 01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:07.959 - Why have I been called again? - On a charge of high treason, Sir Thomas. 01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:11.632 For which the punishment is not imprisonment. 01:42:12.040 --> 01:42:13.075 Death... 01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:15.875 ...comes for us all, my lords. 01:42:16.160 --> 01:42:18.276 Yes, even for kings he comes. 01:42:18.360 --> 01:42:21.318 The death of kings is not in question, Sir Thomas. 01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:24.472 Nor mine, I trust, until I'm proven guilty. 01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:27.876 Your life lies in your own hands, Thomas, as it always has! 01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:29.712 Is that so, my lord? 01:42:30.320 --> 01:42:31.992 Then I'll keep a good grip on it. 01:42:38.680 --> 01:42:40.193 So, Sir Thomas... 01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:42.716 ...you stand on your silence? 01:42:43.360 --> 01:42:44.475 I do. 01:42:45.200 --> 01:42:47.191 But, gentlemen of the jury... 01:42:47.960 --> 01:42:50.633 ...there are many kinds of silence. 01:42:51.080 --> 01:42:54.072 Consider first the silence of a man when he is dead. 01:42:54.400 --> 01:42:57.437 Suppose we go into the room where he is laid out and we listen. 01:42:57.520 --> 01:42:58.635 What do we hear? 01:43:00.080 --> 01:43:01.308 Silence. 01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:04.752 What does it betoken, this silence? 01:43:05.320 --> 01:43:07.880 Nothing. This is silence pure and simple. 01:43:08.200 --> 01:43:09.918 But let us take another case. 01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:12.753 Suppose I were to take a dagger from my sleeve... 01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:14.751 ...and make to kill the prisoner with it. 01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:18.992 And my lordships there, instead of crying out for me to stop, maintain their silence. 01:43:19.080 --> 01:43:20.911 That would betoken! 01:43:21.200 --> 01:43:24.397 It would betoken a willingness that I should do it. 01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:27.398 And under the law, they would be guilty with me. 01:43:28.320 --> 01:43:31.869 So silence can, according to the circumstances... 01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:33.829 ...speak. 01:43:34.480 --> 01:43:38.678 Let us consider now the circumstances of the prisoner's silence. 01:43:39.280 --> 01:43:42.909 The oath was put to loyal subjects all over the country who all declared... 01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:45.070 ...His Grace's title to be just and good! 01:43:45.160 --> 01:43:48.118 But when it came to the prisoner, he refused! 01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:52.190 He calls this "silence. " 01:43:53.320 --> 01:43:55.959 Yet, is there a man in this court... 01:43:56.720 --> 01:43:59.553 Is there a man in this country... 01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:03.913 ...who does not know Sir Thomas More's opinion of this title? 01:44:06.480 --> 01:44:08.232 Yet, how can this be? 01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:11.433 Because this silence betokened... 01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:16.630 ...nay, this silence was not silence at all, but most eloquent denial! 01:44:19.080 --> 01:44:20.274 Not so. 01:44:22.120 --> 01:44:23.792 Not so, Master Secretary. 01:44:26.480 --> 01:44:29.677 The maxim of the law is, "Silence gives consent. " 01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:32.752 If, therefore, you wish to construe what my silence betokened... 01:44:32.840 --> 01:44:36.879 ...you must construe that I consented, not that I denied. 01:44:38.120 --> 01:44:40.839 Is that in fact what the world construes from it? 01:44:40.920 --> 01:44:44.071 Do you pretend that is what you wish the world to construe from it? 01:44:44.160 --> 01:44:47.311 The world must construe according to its wits. 01:44:47.480 --> 01:44:50.597 This court must construe according to the law. 01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:02.593 My lords, I wish to call Sir Richard Rich! 01:45:04.200 --> 01:45:06.839 Richard Rich, come into court. 01:45:07.120 --> 01:45:08.712 Richard Rich! 01:45:29.160 --> 01:45:32.709 "I do swear the evidence I'll give before the court shall be the truth... 01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:35.075 "... the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. " 01:45:35.160 --> 01:45:36.798 "So help me God," sir. 01:45:37.200 --> 01:45:38.553 "So help me God. " 01:45:41.240 --> 01:45:44.835 Now Rich, on May 12, you were at the Tower? 01:45:45.120 --> 01:45:46.758 - I was. - For what purpose? 01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:49.035 I was sent to carry away the prisoner's books. 01:45:49.120 --> 01:45:51.270 - Did you talk with the prisoner? - Yes. 01:45:51.360 --> 01:45:53.999 Did you talk of the King's supremacy of the Church? 01:45:54.080 --> 01:45:55.069 Yes. 01:45:55.360 --> 01:45:56.918 What did you say? 01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:00.518 I said to him, "Supposing there were an act of parliament... 01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:03.160 "... to say that I, Richard Rich, were to be king. 01:46:03.240 --> 01:46:06.038 "Would not you, Master More, take me for king?" 01:46:06.240 --> 01:46:07.639 "That I would," he said. 01:46:11.240 --> 01:46:13.435 "For then you would be king. " 01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:16.749 Yes? 01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:21.356 Then he said, "But I will put you a higher case. 01:46:22.040 --> 01:46:26.830 "How, if there were an act of parliament, to say that God should not be God?" 01:46:27.200 --> 01:46:29.794 - This is true and then you said... - Silence! 01:46:30.400 --> 01:46:31.549 Continue. 01:46:34.120 --> 01:46:37.829 But then I said, "I will put you a middle case. 01:46:38.320 --> 01:46:40.880 "Parliament has made our King Head of the Church. 01:46:40.960 --> 01:46:42.871 "Why will you not accept him?" 01:46:46.160 --> 01:46:47.195 Well? 01:46:50.480 --> 01:46:54.109 And then he said, "Parliament had not the power to do it. " 01:46:55.800 --> 01:46:57.950 Repeat the prisoner's words. 01:46:59.680 --> 01:47:00.715 He said: 01:47:02.080 --> 01:47:04.469 "Parliament had not the competence. " 01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:08.757 Or words to that effect. 01:47:09.040 --> 01:47:11.110 He denied the title! 01:47:11.440 --> 01:47:12.714 He did. 01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:25.310 In good faith, Rich, I am sorrier for your perjury than my peril. 01:47:25.440 --> 01:47:27.954 - Do you deny this? - Yes! 01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:31.637 You know if I were a man who heeded not the taking of an oath... 01:47:31.720 --> 01:47:33.119 ...I need not be here. 01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:36.069 Now, I will take an oath. 01:47:37.840 --> 01:47:40.593 If what Master Rich has said is true... 01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:44.788 ...I pray I may never see God in the face. 01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:49.349 Which I would not say, were it otherwise, for anything on earth! 01:47:49.480 --> 01:47:52.074 - That is not evidence. - Is it probable... 01:47:52.840 --> 01:47:57.231 Is it probable that after so long a silence on this... 01:47:57.320 --> 01:47:59.788 ...the very point so urgently sought of me... 01:47:59.880 --> 01:48:03.509 ...I should open my mind to such a man as that? 01:48:05.040 --> 01:48:08.271 Sir Richard, do you wish to modify your testimony? 01:48:09.360 --> 01:48:10.429 No, my lord. 01:48:10.520 --> 01:48:13.034 Is there anything you wish to take away from it? 01:48:13.120 --> 01:48:14.189 No, my lord. 01:48:14.280 --> 01:48:16.077 Have you anything to add? 01:48:16.360 --> 01:48:17.588 No, my lord. 01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:21.957 - Have you, Sir Thomas? - To what purpose? 01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:27.352 I am a dead man. 01:48:30.920 --> 01:48:32.751 You have your will of me. 01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:36.070 Then the witness may withdraw. 01:48:43.120 --> 01:48:46.192 There is one question I would like to ask the witness. 01:48:48.640 --> 01:48:51.712 That's a chain of office you're wearing. May I see it? 01:48:59.440 --> 01:49:00.759 The Red Dragon. 01:49:01.080 --> 01:49:02.229 What's this? 01:49:02.320 --> 01:49:05.312 Sir Richard is appointed Attorney General for Wales. 01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:06.794 For Wales. 01:49:08.280 --> 01:49:13.229 Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. 01:49:15.040 --> 01:49:16.473 But for Wales. 01:49:24.520 --> 01:49:25.953 My lords! I've done. 01:49:27.000 --> 01:49:29.514 The jury will retire and consider the evidence. 01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:35.911 Considering the evidence, it shouldn't be necessary for them to retire. 01:49:38.320 --> 01:49:39.912 Is it necessary? 01:49:46.440 --> 01:49:49.079 Then is the prisoner guilty or not guilty? 01:49:54.040 --> 01:49:55.632 Guilty, my lord! 01:50:05.720 --> 01:50:09.349 Sir Thomas More, you have been found guilty of high treason. 01:50:09.480 --> 01:50:11.835 - The sentence of the court... - My lords! 01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:16.388 When I was practicing the law, the manner was to ask the prisoner... 01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:20.274 ...before pronouncing sentence, if he had anything to say. 01:50:20.640 --> 01:50:22.358 Have you anything to say? 01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:23.989 Yes. 01:50:34.680 --> 01:50:37.638 Since the court has determined to condemn me... 01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:40.392 ...God knoweth how... 01:50:41.440 --> 01:50:44.591 ...I will now discharge my mind... 01:50:45.160 --> 01:50:49.312 ...concerning the indictment and the King's title. 01:50:52.720 --> 01:50:57.032 The indictment is grounded in an act of parliament... 01:50:57.400 --> 01:51:00.119 ...which is directly repugnant... 01:51:00.200 --> 01:51:03.715 ...to the law of God and His Holy Church. 01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:07.953 The supreme government of which no temper able person... 01:51:08.040 --> 01:51:12.033 ...may by any law presume to take upon him. 01:51:12.880 --> 01:51:14.518 This was granted... 01:51:15.240 --> 01:51:16.673 ...by the mouth... 01:51:17.400 --> 01:51:19.834 ...of our Savior, Christ Himself... 01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:25.037 ...to St. Peter and the bishops of Rome whilst He lived... 01:51:25.720 --> 01:51:28.871 ...and was personally present... 01:51:31.200 --> 01:51:32.758 ...here on earth. 01:51:34.920 --> 01:51:38.595 It is therefore insufficient in law... 01:51:39.200 --> 01:51:42.033 ...to charge any Christian to obey it. 01:51:43.440 --> 01:51:44.873 And more than this... 01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:49.590 ...the immunity of the Church is promised both in Magna Carta... 01:51:49.720 --> 01:51:53.156 ...and in the King's own coronation oath. 01:51:54.920 --> 01:51:57.434 Now, we plainly see you are malicious! 01:51:57.920 --> 01:51:59.114 Not so. 01:52:01.440 --> 01:52:03.431 I am the King's true subject... 01:52:04.280 --> 01:52:07.750 ...and I pray for him and all the realm. 01:52:09.480 --> 01:52:10.993 I do none harm. 01:52:12.120 --> 01:52:13.917 I say none harm. 01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:17.075 I think none harm. 01:52:19.080 --> 01:52:21.992 And if this be not enough to keep a man alive... 01:52:22.400 --> 01:52:25.836 ...then in good faith, I long not to live. 01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:29.068 Nevertheless... 01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:34.391 ...it is not for the supremacy that you have sought my blood... 01:52:34.480 --> 01:52:38.519 ...but because I would not bend to the marriage! 01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:49.592 You have been found guilty of high treason. 01:52:50.400 --> 01:52:53.312 The sentence of the court is that you be taken... 01:52:53.440 --> 01:52:55.271 ...to the Tower of London... 01:52:57.320 --> 01:53:00.517 ...until the day hence to the appointment... 01:53:01.480 --> 01:53:03.471 ...for your execution! 01:53:18.440 --> 01:53:21.557 I am commanded by the King to be brief... 01:53:22.280 --> 01:53:25.078 ...and since I am the King's obedient subject... 01:53:25.600 --> 01:53:27.079 ...brief I will be. 01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:31.637 I die His Majesty's good servant... 01:53:32.600 --> 01:53:34.113 ...but God's first. 01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:42.875 I forgive you, right readily. 01:53:48.680 --> 01:53:50.875 Be not afraid of your office. 01:53:51.280 --> 01:53:52.918 You send me to God. 01:53:55.280 --> 01:53:57.157 You're very sure of that, Sir Thomas? 01:53:57.240 --> 01:54:00.437 He will not refuse one who is so blithe to go to him. 01:54:22.280 --> 01:54:25.590 Thomas More's head was stuck on Traitor's Gate for a month. 01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:29.389 Then his daughter, Margaret, removed it and kept it 'til her death. 01:54:30.160 --> 01:54:33.914 Cromwell was beheaded for high treason five years after More. 01:54:34.400 --> 01:54:36.960 The Archbishop was burned at the stake. 01:54:37.560 --> 01:54:40.597 The Duke of Norfolk should have been executed for high treason... 01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:43.558 ...but the King died of syphilis the night before. 01:54:44.480 --> 01:54:47.278 Richard Rich became Chancellor of England... 01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:49.632 ...and died in his bed. 01:54:50.305 --> 01:54:56.630 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org